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Need help with a German last name Emma Wunsche Family
« on: Saturday 09 April 16 21:30 BST (UK) »
Hi,
My name is Judy. I am new to Rootschat. I have been working on my family history since last June. I was lucky enough to know my great grandmother. She was born in Germany on August 14, 1875. She immigrated to the United States in 1892. Her name was Emma Wunsche (with an umlaut over the u, for some reason I can't make them with the alt key codes). Anyway, Emma had at least 1 brother and 3 other sisters who also came to America. She had another, younger sister, born sometime after 1881 or so, who stayed in Germany and was a Lutheran Deaconess. They were from the Stuttgart area. Their father's name was Wilhelm Wunsche. Their mom's first name was Bertha. My problem is that I have 4 different spellings of their mother's maiden name. I was wondering if anyone could tell me which one might be the correct or closest to the correct spelling of the name. The spellings are from New York marriage records for 4 of the 5 siblings. These are the spellings: Bertha Shwerdaer, Bertha Schwerdtner, Bertha Schwerdrer, and Bertha Slwertua. If anyone has any suggestions as to what the correct name might be, I would really appreciate hearing from you. Thank you so much for taking the time to read my message.
Judy
PS  I have included a photo from 1909 when my grandmother and her brother visited Germany with their mother. My grandmother is on the left, next to her is Leisle, the Deaconess, behind Leisle is my great grandmother, Emma and next to Leisle is their mother Bertha, the woman whose maiden name is in question and Wilhelm, her husband. My great uncle is next to him. I am not sure which sister is standing behind Wilhelm.

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Re: Need help with a German last name
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 April 16 22:00 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat, Judy.

From the book "Germam Names" by Hans Bahlow ...

Schwertner  (frequent in the region of Gorlitz on the Polish border)

Schwerdt  (found in Bavaria)

... those are as close as I can get.
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Re: Need help with a German last name
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 April 16 22:19 BST (UK) »
Are you depending on the transciptions on Family Search or do you have copies of the actual certificates?
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Re: Need help with a German last name
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 April 16 22:30 BST (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat.

I've entered all spellings on a German gedbas website and the only spelling that gets any search results is this one:- Schwertner

Here's the link :-

http://gedbas.genealogy.net/?lang=en

P.S. You'll find that the umlaut is often replaced in other countries by an "e"  as shown:-

Wunsche = Wuensche.
Gunther = Guenther
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke


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Re: Need help with a German last name
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 April 16 17:10 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much for replying so quickly Rena, agahdowey and sugarbakers. I really appreciate the help. I have purchased my great grandmother's marriage certificate and on hers the handwriting does look to me like it is spelled Shwerdaer. It isn't the easiest handwriting to read though. I have not purchased the other marriage records as of yet, so those names I got from the transcriptions on Family Search. I have a photo of Leisle, the Deaconess, alone that has the photographers studio address on it and when I googled it I found out that that town was at one time a mostly German town in Poland. I'll see what I can find on my great great grandmother with the Schwertner variation from the Polish border. That seems to make sense to me.

Thanks again.
Judy PS Hope this is the right place to reply. I'm still pretty overwhelmed by this site.  :-)

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Re: Need help with a German last name
« Reply #5 on: Monday 11 April 16 10:23 BST (UK) »
What a really beautiful picture!  You are very lucky to have it - handsome family.

If you are interested, I think the experts on the Free Photo Restoration board would love to look at it and could colour it for you - do have a look at the work they do on the board identifying dates from costume, and restoring and colouring pictures.

You may not want this for your picture, but do look at the board anyway - it's fascinating!  ;D

Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: Need help with a German last name Emma Wunsche Family
« Reply #6 on: Monday 11 April 16 14:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you IgorStrav. I'll check out the photo restoration board. Is there a benefit, other than aesthetics, for coloring old photos? Yes, I am lucky. I have many such photos as the one I attached from my grandparents, but unfortunately, not many have anything written on the backs of them and the few that do, the writing is often German, in a very difficult script to decipher.  Many others are glued down in old photo books. I do have documentation that my great grandmother was in Germany with her 2 children visiting her family so, the picture I posted I am 99% sure is from that 1909 trip.

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Re: Need help with a German last name Emma Wunsche Family
« Reply #7 on: Monday 11 April 16 15:07 BST (UK) »
Thank you IgorStrav. I'll check out the photo restoration board. Is there a benefit, other than aesthetics, for coloring old photos? Yes, I am lucky. I have many such photos as the one I attached from my grandparents, but unfortunately, not many have anything written on the backs of them and the few that do, the writing is often German, in a very difficult script to decipher.  Many others are glued down in old photo books. I do have documentation that my great grandmother was in Germany with her 2 children visiting her family so, the picture I posted I am 99% sure is from that 1909 trip.

Judy2015

You are very lucky!  Do have a look on the board, and see the wonderful work of the restorers and the daters.  In terms of colouration, I know that some people prefer to keep the original black and white or sepia but colours - done really well on this board, I must say - can really bring your relatives back to life.

Enjoy yourself on Rootschat, whether you ask for help, or give help, or merely look in and read other people's threads, it's all fascinating - and very welcoming!
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: Need help with a German last name Emma Wunsche Family
« Reply #8 on: Monday 11 April 16 16:14 BST (UK) »
Thanks again. I have to say that so far I am really impressed with the help that people give. I am only on rootschat less than a week, and I immediately received help with my request. I don't think I have been on any other site where the assistance has been so instantaneous. I have to get better at using this site and navigating around.

Judy2015