Marriage between William Venables and Elizabeth

[WideEyedGirl]

I have 5x great grandparents called William Venables (sometimes spelled Venable) and Elizabeth (I don't know her maiden name) - but can't seem to find a marriage for them.

Their first child (that I can find so far) was born in 1819 in Tipton, Staffordshire, so I based my search there, but could only find a marriage (on Ancestry) between a William Venable(s) and an Elizabeth 'Burton' in Worcester in 1804 - which would leave a big gap between the marriage and the birth of their first child.
Added to this, I think that William and Elizabeth were both born in Staffordshire between 1791-1796, so their marriage couldn't have been much before the birth of the first child in 1819.

Any help with this would be a greatly appreciated.

[CaroleW]

Can you give details of the names and birthplaces of all the children you have found. There is also this 1841 entry for Tipton but not enough info to know if it's the right one.  All born Staffs

William Venables   40 labourer
Elizabeth  40
John 15
Ann 10
Mary  8
William  10
Thomas  4
HO107 Piece: 982/6 Folio 10 Page 13

1851 actually shows William as 60 b Gornal (?? Gnossall) and Elizabeth as 55 b Sedgely

Family Search has this

Name   William Venables
Gender   Male
Christening Date   1790
Christening Place   GNOSALL, STAFFORD, ENGLAND
Father's Name   John Venables

Mother's Name   Ann

[CaroleW]

Son Thomas's birth was registered in the September qtr of 1837 - buying a copy of his birth cert will give you Elizabeth's maiden name

[WideEyedGirl]

Can you give details of the names and birthplaces of all the children you have found. There is also this 1841 entry for Tipton but not enough info to know if it's the right one.  All born Staffs

William Venables   40 labourer
Elizabeth  40
John 15
Ann 10
Mary  8
William  10
Thomas  4
HO107 Piece: 982/6 Folio 10 Page 13

1851 actually shows William as 60 b Gornal (?? Gnossall) and Elizabeth as 55 b Sedgely

Family Search has this

Name   William Venables
Gender   Male
Christening Date   1790
Christening Place   GNOSALL, STAFFORD, ENGLAND
Father's Name   John Venables

Mother's Name   Ann

Elizabeth and William Venable(s) were both born between 1791 and 1802 in either Gnosall or Sedgley (so I've found so far anyway).
They had the following children;
- Hannah, bap 12 Apr 1819 in St Martin's,Tipton
- Sarah, bap 11 May 1823 in "
- Maria, bap 11 May 1823 in "
- John, bap 11 May 1823 in "
- Ann, bap 12 Nov 1826 in "
- William, bap 25 May 1831 in "
- Peter, bap 8 Sep 1833 in "
- Thomas, bap 22 Mar 1835 in "

[MarkDent1965]

Hi,
William and Elizabeth Venables are my 4 x great grandparents.
I have also drawn a blank on Elizabeth's surname.
I am begining to think they were not married.
How are you connected to them.
I am descended from their daughter Maria Venables on my mothers line.
Regards
Mark

[WideEyedGirl]

Hi,
William and Elizabeth Venables are my 4 x great grandparents.
I have also drawn a blank on Elizabeth's surname.
I am begining to think they were not married.
How are you connected to them.
I am descended from their daughter Maria Venables on my mothers line.
Regards
Mark

Hi Mark,
I am descended from their daughter Ann Venables, born 1825 in Tipton. Ann had an illegitimate son called Robert Davis Venables (son of a miner called Robert Davis, who's identity I do not know). She then married William Smart and had six children with him, called James, Elizah, John Thomas, Benjamin, Ann and Joseph, born between 1849 and 1867.
I am descended from the illegitimate son, Robert Davis Venables, who married Patience Perrins, and the two of them moved to Yorkshire.

I hadn't found much information about Maria Venables, so I'd be very grateful to hear about her.

Kind regards,
Holly

[MarkDent1965]

Hi Holly,
I was only coincidentally looking at Ann Venables and William Smart on the census trying to trace them after 1861, yesterday, I think I found 2 of their sons in Sutton, Lancashire in 1891 but not 100% it is them
Anyway Maria Venables married Samuel Bullas on 16 March 1846 at Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcestershire. Their daughter Sarah Elizabeth Venables Bullas born 20 Oct 1841 at Tipton, Staffordshire married John Boden on 19 July 1858 at St Andrew, Netherton, Dudley, Staffordshire. Their daughter Maria Boden born 1863 married John Martin on 5 March 1882 at St. Mark, Ocker Hill, Tipton, Staffordshire. Their daughter Maria Martin born 21 January 1887 in Dudley Port, Staffordshire was my grandmother, she married Samuel Butterfield in Leeds in 1903.
I am in Leeds, where are you in Yorkshire?

[WideEyedGirl]

Hi Holly,
I was only coincidentally looking at Ann Venables and William Smart on the census trying to trace them after 1861, yesterday, I think I found 2 of their sons in Sutton, Lancashire in 1891 but not 100% it is them
Anyway Maria Venables married Samuel Bullas on 16 March 1846 at Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcestershire. Their daughter Sarah Elizabeth Venables Bullas born 20 Oct 1841 at Tipton, Staffordshire married John Boden on 19 July 1858 at St Andrew, Netherton, Dudley, Staffordshire. Their daughter Maria Boden born 1863 married John Martin on 5 March 1882 at St. Mark, Ocker Hill, Tipton, Staffordshire. Their daughter Maria Martin born 21 January 1887 in Dudley Port, Staffordshire was my grandmother, she married Samuel Butterfield in Leeds in 1903.
I am in Leeds, where are you in Yorkshire?

Thank you for all that information! It's always great to hear from people who are related in some way or another.
I am currently in Lincolnshire but I do normally live in Yorkshire near Sheffield - most of my family are from Yorkshire, with only links to other counties further back in the family lines.