JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents

[Mollyrobz]

Hello Buckhyne and thank you for your reply

I'm not 100% positive that I'm reading that info correctly. But by what you're saying you think that John could've passed away by 50-51 and the Mrs John Nicol could be Ann Mcdonald, his wife? And the other John Nicol perhaps a brother or son?

Molly

[buckhyne]

Hello Buckhyne and thank you for your reply

I'm not 100% positive that I'm reading that info correctly. But by what you're saying you think that John could've passed away by 50-51 and the Mrs John Nicol could be Ann Mcdonald, his wife? And the other John Nicol perhaps a brother or son?

Molly

Aye, that's what I'm saying.
It's John's name in the directories until 1850-51 when it's Mrs John Nicol who is the grocer.
I cannot imagine Mrs Nicol being the grocer if John is still alive.
It is further proof that the John Nicol you found is the correct one.
As for the other John Nicol I don't know the family so I can't say if he is a relative but he would be worth checking out.

[ev]

1851 Census , 178 South Street , Perth , Perthshire.
Ann McDonald 57 widow grocer born Perth , Perthshire , with 2 daughters Mary 19 and Jane 14(NICEL)



ev

[buckhyne]

1851 Census , 178 South Street , Perth , Perthshire.
Ann McDonald 57 widow grocer born Perth , Perthshire , with 2 daughters Mary 19 and Jane 14(NICEL)



ev

There ye have it! proof positive 

[Mollyrobz]

Ah superb! Thank you you two! I think that definitly points to John Nicol that died 1849 as being my John Nicol doesn't it?

Thanks for that 1851 census Ev, I'm aware of them having a dau named MARY but as of yet not a JANE. So possibly the other JOHN NICOL from the records could possibly be another child I haven't found yet?

So my question is, how come I can't find a death cert for John pre 1855? Possibly a misspelling of his surname do you think? I've tried ones such a Nickle and now also NICEL.

If he had a birth of around 1787 I can see a few, how could I possibly narrow this done? Is it even possible? As it was already stated, pre 1855 records even if I could find it don't name parents

Molly

[MonicaL]

Molly, less that a third of events are to be found recorded in the Old Parish Registers. Lots of reasons for this. It wasn't till 1855 that you should be able to find a BMD for everyone after this date.

Death and Burial records in the OPRs are the poorest in terms of record keeping unfortunately. See www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Content/Help/index.aspx?r=554&2016

Monica

[buckhyne]

This looks like them with four of a family.
The bairns John & Mary are twins, unless the ages have been rounded.

1841 census: South Street, Perth
John   Nicol      50   1791   
Ann   Nicol      55   1786   
Ann   Nicol      17   1824   
John   Nicol      12   1829   
Mary   Nicol      12   1829   
Jean   Nicol      5   1836   

[ecksdochter]

Hello Molly,
     Daughter Jane Nicol age 14 on 1851 Census is likely to be 5yr old Jean Nicol on 1841 Census. In Scotland, Jean is a pet/short form of Jane.   
   
               Regards,     Dod.

[Mollyrobz]

Thank you Ecksdochter

Buckhyne, I have now found a couple more of the children, I now have 10 in total.

All born Perth,
WILLIAM 1808
ALEXANDER 1811
MARGARET 1815
CHARLES MCDONALD 1817
JAMES 1820
JOHN 1829
MARY 1831
ROBERT 1834
JANE 1836
WINEWOOD

The marriage was registered twice, once in TIBBERMORE and once in PERTH both 1807

Molly