Missing Marriage Evidence ?Irregular?

[MRSCX]

Only have Janets and she has two baptisms one is Scotland Select and then when in 1866 she is re-baptised as SFX same year as the children. I am completely confused by it. I am certain it is her as I have the boys birth certificates, I am waiting on daughters... On Birth Certificates it is again indicated that Janet Mark was formerly Hutton and so I am assuming still that they must have been married somewhere.... theres just no proof of it anywhere.

I am starting to think I am going mad 

[fifer1947]

Do you have any census data for Janet/Robert?

[Regorian]

I have two generations, one after the other, where neither couple seem to have had marriage entries. In both cases, their childrens baptisms were registered. The experts on here hunted high and low without result. So am stuck at 1740 and likely to remain so.

The usual answer is the marrying couple wouldn't or couldn't afford to pay for the entries in the parish register. Yes, you had to pay a fee. The children were registered so as to establish their legal residency in the parish, in case later they had need to apply for parish relief.   

[MRSCX]

Do you have any census data for Janet/Robert?

I don't have them together ever. I have them pre children separately & only post Roberts death with Janet as a widow.

All addresses on birth records are basements of houses in poor areas then after Robert snr dies eldest son Robert is signed up to the Indefatigable, James McCall Mark is with Janet until she dies and I have the same address on the Death Cert as last census in 1888 which is 65 Christian Street death certificate states she is the Widow of Robert Mark Painter and James was informant.

I have been stuck here for months and I have tried every subscribed site I can, bought all of the birth certificates and despite having new addresses they are never at the address at census time and just appear to vanish but I can't figure out if its my poor skill or they didn't want to be noticed fro whatever reason.

Sadly there is nobody living in that line that I can probe for clues I have literally spent days in research archives getting this far to have hit this wall. So frustrating!

[fifer1947]

Do you have any census data for Janet/Robert?

I don't have them together ever. I have them pre children separately & only post Roberts death with Janet as a widow.

All addresses on birth records are basements of houses in poor areas then after Robert snr dies eldest son Robert is signed up to the Indefatigable, James McCall Mark is with Janet until she dies and I have the same address on the Death Cert as last census in 1888 which is 65 Christian Street death certificate states she is the Widow of Robert Mark Painter and James was informant.

I have been stuck here for months and I have tried every subscribed site I can, bought all of the birth certificates and despite having new addresses they are never at the address at census time and just appear to vanish but I can't figure out if its my poor skill or they didn't want to be noticed fro whatever reason.

Sadly there is nobody living in that line that I can probe for clues I have literally spent days in research archives getting this far to have hit this wall. So frustrating!

OK this may be another wild goose chase for you but worth checking

1861 census Scotland - Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire has 2 hits for Robert Mark/Janet; by deduction one Janet appears to be 47 with an 11 yo Robert, so a bit too old. I haven't checked the other yet and have no credits. BUT it struck me that Robert may well have been a ships journeyman painter so would have gone where the work was ie always a port where there was ship building.

Adding the fact Robt jnr joins the navy ...........

Does that sound logical?

[Rosinish]

Clever thinking Fifer....sounds logical to me at least 

Annie

[sue21757]

Just wondering if you noticed on Robert Mark Jnr admission in 1871 That his mother's name is down as Janet Black 104 Gerard Street. Also anothert relative is an aunt Mrs Rankin 19 Back Berry Street.
Cheers Sue

[sue21757]

Ok so in 1871 census
Living at 19 Back Berry Street,
Bryce Rankin B-1827 Garlustown Scotland
Isabella Rankin B-1829 Scotland
Mary Jane 1860 Liverpool
Susan       1862
Isabella     1865
James.       1867.
William Hutton 1856 Scotland Nephew

Living just above them in
15 Back Berry Street is Bryce's mother,brother and sister.
Andrew Rankin 1822
Jane                1831
Susan              1796.

Have found a marriage for Bryce Rankin to Isabella Hatton.( It should be Hutton)
27/7/1854 St John the Baptist. Toxteth Park.
Isabella's father is down as James Hutton Labourer
15 Back Berry Street

[sue21757]

1861 Scotland census

James Hutton 1798 Hollywood, Dumfries
Mary Hutton(Smith) 1803 Kirkcudbright
James Hutton 1827 Kirkcudbright
Mary Hutton 1845 Kirkcudbright
Janet Marsh(?Marks) 1851 Liverpool Lancashire. Grand Daughter