Author Topic: Agnes MARKESKY born Bilston Wolverhampton 1889 family with Arthur MOTTRAM  (Read 2665 times)

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Hello am desperately seeking any information on the above individual AGNES MARKESKY (MARKOWSKY) who I believe used the second name of CLEE on her children's birth certificates. 

She is living as wife (though I believe not married) with ARTHUR LEONARD MOTTRAM in Blackpool and environs on the 1911 Census.  She had three children with Arthur that I know of, NORA EILEEN born 1906, IVY born 1908, HAROLD born 1910. 

This seems a very complicated and fractured family who I am researching on behalf of my son's girlfriend.

NORA EILEEN is her great grandmother.  She married PATRICK BRUCE in Belfast in 1922 and had two sons. 

She left Patrick, and formed a relationship with WILLIAM RAMSEY RUSSELL with whom she had two daughters.  The family know very little of her life.  She never married WILLIAM RAMSEY.  PATRICK BRUCE died in 1949. 

For some reason NORA adopts the second name of MOORE.  She is recorded under this name on the 1939 Register, the right birth date of July 20, but the wrong year.  She, her four children and WILLIAM RUSSELL settle in LEICESTER.  She died in 1993, (again correct birth date wrong year).

Through Ancestry I have discovered that her brother HAROLD married a girl from Tipperary and settled in IPSWICH. 

I have no idea when the estrangement happened between Agnes and Arthur Leonard MOTTRAM.  But he marries SYLVIA DILLON in Lancashire 1923 and has two daughters.  He was badly injured in WW1 and committed suicide in 1956. 

I cannot trace IVY.  NORA was taken out of school in LYTHAM in 1912, given reason 'leaving the area'.  Perhaps the family moved to Ireland? 

Arthur's family came from a long line of Plumbers and Plumbing Wholesalers, ALEXANDER, Agnes's father was a plumber - is this how they possibly met? 

Any information would be so wonderful, and I would be only too happy to share the information I have.

Julie

BRUCE, MOTTRAM, MOORE, MARKESKY, VEASEY

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Re: Agnes MARKESKY born Bilston Wolverhampton 1889 family with Arthur MOTTRAM
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 30 April 16 11:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Chatswood2016

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

Could you alter your heading as Agnes looks to be born 1898, she surely wouldn't be having children at such a young age  ;D ;D

When was she born ?

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Moderator comment. Date amended in title to show 1889 rather than originally mis-typed by poster 1898
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Re: Agnes MARKESKY born Bilston Wolverhampton 1889 family with Arthur MOTTRAM
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 30 April 16 11:41 BST (UK) »
Right think I've found her in 1891 census

Wolverhampton : 14 Bishop Street

Alexander Markowski  hd mar 34 glazier and house painter . bn Poland  Europe
Agnes                        wf          26                                                " Bilston Staffs.
Rosanah                   dau        3                                                " Bilston Staffs
Agnes                         "          1                                                " Wolverhampton Staffs

Class: RG12; Piece: 2226; Folio: 140; Page: 48;

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Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
Mocquard ~ London, France
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Re: Agnes MARKESKY born Bilston Wolverhampton 1889 family with Arthur MOTTRAM
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 April 16 11:43 BST (UK) »
Yeiks sorry, in my excitement I didn't proof read properly. Will attempt to correct it, though have only just joined and not sure of the protocol!  FYI Agnes was born 1889  - I transposed the figures, thanks so much for pointing it out!  Feel a real dunce!


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Re: Agnes MARKESKY born Bilston Wolverhampton 1889 family with Arthur MOTTRAM
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 April 16 11:49 BST (UK) »
Yes Claire, this is the family, I'm really hoping that someone can verify that AGNES CLEE and AND AGNES MARKESKY (MARKOWSY) are the same person.  This has kept me busy for over a week, trawling through every Agnes born around the 1890s in the Wolverhampton district.  It's a rather dysfunctional family and every twist and turn there are conflicting second names, false leads and conflicting birth dates.  Driving me nuts

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Re: Agnes MARKESKY born Bilston Wolverhampton 1889 family with Arthur MOTTRAM
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 30 April 16 11:49 BST (UK) »
1901 census she is with her widowed mother and numerous siblings

Wolverhampton: 68 Oxford Street

Agnes Markosky hd widow 35 painter and plumber ( employer) bn Bilston Staffs
Rosa                     dau          14
Agnes                      "            12
Leonard                son          5
Alexander               "            3
Cecil                       "            2
Winifred                dau          8 All children bn Bilston Staffs.
Susan Barrett     serv.         18 domestic servant bn Wednesbury Staffs

Class: RG13; Piece: 2689; Folio: 167; Page: 26

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Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
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Re: Agnes MARKESKY born Bilston Wolverhampton 1889 family with Arthur MOTTRAM
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 30 April 16 11:50 BST (UK) »
You aren't a dunce, we all make mistakes  :)

claire
Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
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Re: Agnes MARKESKY born Bilston Wolverhampton 1889 family with Arthur MOTTRAM
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 30 April 16 11:58 BST (UK) »
Yes this is the family, I'm rather excited about the plumbing reference - a link with the Mottrams maybe?  Also I know there is someone on this list who has the same second name interests, ND I don't know how to contact them!  Any tips?

Julie

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Re: Agnes MARKESKY born Bilston Wolverhampton 1889 family with Arthur MOTTRAM
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 30 April 16 12:06 BST (UK) »
Hi

You see below your name there is the little brown circle with green page within it, this is the PM( personal message )button, press it and send the other person a message  :)

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Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
Mocquard ~ London, France
Census info is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk