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Offline AngelFish

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Copyright? Old library book
« on: Thursday 05 May 16 10:50 BST (UK) »
Hi All

I've borrowed an old book from the library about the history of a village and its church. It was published in 1878 by the Rector of the Parish.

Am I right in thinking that because the book is over 100 years old, I am allowed to copy (photograph or scan) and make it available to be viewed publicly online?

It's almost a leaflet with hard cardboard covers, small and about 50 pages long.

 Thank you.
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Re: Copyright? Old library book
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 May 16 10:53 BST (UK) »
I think you should be okay as long as you quote the source but I would check with the library as it is their property.
Carol
CAPES Hull. KIRK  Leeds, Hull. JONES  Wales,  Lancashire. CARROLL Ireland, Lancashire, U.S.A. BROUGHTON Leicester, Goole, Hull BORRILL  Lincolnshire, Durham, Hull. GROOM  Wishbech, Hull. ANTHONY St. John's Nfld. BUCKNALL Lincolnshire, Hull. BUTT Harbour Grace, Newfoundland. PARSONS  Western Bay, Newfoundland. MONAGHAN  Ireland, U.S.A. PERRY Cheshire, Liverpool.
 
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Re: Copyright? Old library book
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 May 16 10:56 BST (UK) »
I think you should be okay as long as you quote the source but I would check with the library as it is their property.
Carol
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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 May 16 10:58 BST (UK) »
I'm not suggesting they do but they may be able to offer advice.
Carol
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Re: Copyright? Old library book
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 May 16 11:01 BST (UK) »
For a book published in the UK, the copyright expires 70 years after the author's death.

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 May 16 11:34 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone so much for your help.
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Re: Copyright? Old library book
« Reply #6 on: Friday 06 May 16 18:27 BST (UK) »
Good afternoon,

First thing you need to know is whether the author is deceased. If yes when did he die, copyright lasts for 70 years after death for written work.

There are then limits on how much you can copy if still in copyright. It was 10% but OH (senior library assistant) says it changed recently. She says 20% for personal use, ie, not being republished or used in anyway for public consumption. As you want to use it online that is not personal use so a smaller amount only allowed.

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 06 May 16 22:28 BST (UK) »
It was published 138 years ago. I haven't traced the authors death yet, but I don't think he would have lived for another 68 years after his book was published.  :)  I think he was already elderly when he wrote it.

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 07 May 16 08:55 BST (UK) »
Good afternoon,

First thing you need to know is whether the author is deceased. If yes when did he die, copyright lasts for 70 years after death for written work.

There are then limits on how much you can copy if still in copyright. It was 10% but OH (senior library assistant) says it changed recently. She says 20% for personal use, ie, not being republished or used in anyway for public consumption. As you want to use it online that is not personal use so a smaller amount only allowed.

John915

Sorry but there have never been percentage limits on copyright.

What you have written above is simply guidelines for libraries and not legally enforceable.
Copyright law cases have shown that even as few as 15 words can be a breach of copyright.
What counts is not the percentage of the work used but whether you have used the "essence" of the work such that it diminishes or destroys the market for the original.

In the specific case published in 1878 the author is dead, this basically means if he/she died prior to 1946 the copyright has expired (UK law other countries allow for extensions).
In the circumstance supplied there is little doubt the he/she would have died prior to 1946.
A secondary concern could also be if there were subsequent publications of the book in the intervening years as if there was only one publication and the book had not been available new for some time any court would be less likely to uphold a claim of copyright infringement as there would be no diminishing or destruction of the market.

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