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Do the pieces fit for Eunice Mary Manning’s parents?
« on: Saturday 07 May 16 14:17 BST (UK) »
I am wondering if these pieces could possibly fit together to support John Brookes Manning and Eunice Ring as the parents of “Eunice Mary Manning”.
Here are the pieces:
Piece 1. There is a record in “The-Register-Book-of-Marriages-Belonging-to-the-Parish-of-St-George-Hanover-Square-in-the-County-of-Middlesex-1824-1837”    London Diocese: Stating that on 10th August 1826, APPEARED PERSONALLY  The Reverend John Brookes Manning, clerk, of the parish of Saint George Hanover Square in the county of Middlesex, bachelor of the age of twenty one years and prayed a licence for the Solemnization of Matrimony in the Parish church of Saint George Hanover Square between him and Eunice Ring of the parish, spinster, of the age of twenty one years.
Piece 2. A Eunice Ring, father Henry Ring, mother Susannah Wood was born 1 Set 1798, christened 29 Nov 1798 at Mt Ephraim, Lady H  Turbridge Wells Kent.  (Source: England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers 1567-1970) Countess of Huntingdon’s Connexion.
Piece 3. There is an article from “The Gazette” Heading:  “THE COURT FOR RELIEF OF INSOLVENT DEBTORS”  At the court-House, in and for the City and country of the city of Bristol, on the 2d day of July 1827 that states:
John Manning (sued by the name of John Brooks Manning) formerly of Ashton-Place, ‘then of No. 15, Carolina-Row, Hotwells, since of dowry-Square, and late of No.2, Clifton-Place, all in the Parish of Clifton, Gloucestershire, Linguist.
Piece 4. Baptism of “Eunice Mary Manning”  on 2 Sept 1827, Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, London.  Father John Manning, Mother: Eunice   John & Eunice are listed at Great George Street. John is listed as a linguist.
Piece 5. On the 1841 Census, John(33) & Eunice (44) are listed at Richmond Place, Tower Hamlets.  John is listed as a Linguist.  HO 107/ 698
Piece 6. I think John died on 29th August 1850 in Westminister England.
Piece 7. “Eunice Mary Manning”’s marriage record in 1851 has John Manning (deceased) Private Tutor.
Piece 8. There is a record for Eunice Manning marring William Stephen Bungey on 30 Sept 1847.  Eunice’s father is listed as Henry Ring. 
Piece 9. 1851 Census, RG09  1317/100  Eunice Bungey (widow) is listed in Wiltshire.  Her birth year is 1797 and birthplace is Tunbridge Wells, Kent.

I would be interested in people’s thoughts on the possibility of these pieces matching.

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Re: Do the pieces fit for Eunice Mary Manning’s parents?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 07 May 16 14:48 BST (UK) »
Mostly that looks fairly straightforward to me.

You've listed the 1826 marriage licence but not the marriage itself on 11 August 1826 at St George Hanover Square. The Reverend John Brookes Manning, clerk, bachelor, married Eunice Ring, spinster, by licence.

The 1827 baptism helpfully shows the same occupation for John as the Gazette entry in his full name a couple of months earlier.

What is not straightforward is the remarriage of Eunice nee Ring to Mr Bungey in 1847, apparently before John's death which you believe was 1850.


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Re: Do the pieces fit for Eunice Mary Manning’s parents?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 07 May 16 14:53 BST (UK) »
It all fits together very nicely. The bankruptcy being in Bristol is a little odd but might explain why John ends up in London and marries by licence. Shame he died before the 1851 census, a born Bristol would have been nice! The death date also needs checking as Eunice remarried in 1847 - they might just have parted company and she remarried anyway, perhaps thinking him dead?

Jan ;)
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Re: Do the pieces fit for Eunice Mary Manning’s parents?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 07 May 16 15:36 BST (UK) »

Piece 9. 1851 Census, RG09  1317/100  Eunice Bungey (widow) is listed in Wiltshire.  Her birth year is 1797 and birthplace is Tunbridge Wells, Kent.


Actually,that's the 1861 census.

She's listed as Unice BUNGEG  ::) (A*try) on th 1851 census.

Maureen


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Re: Do the pieces fit for Eunice Mary Manning’s parents?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 07 May 16 16:02 BST (UK) »
I don't think that's "your" John's death in 1850. The burial indicates an address of Lisson Grove.

There's a Lydia Ann MANNING (widow) and family at Lisson Grove in 1851. Pretty sure it's her husband John who died. (they are together in 1841).

Maureen

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Re: Do the pieces fit for Eunice Mary Manning’s parents?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 08 May 16 10:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks to all for your comments.  Sorry about the incorrect year of the census.
Maureen, could you provide details of Eunice Bungey on the 1851 Census?

More information just located fits as well.
On the 1851 Census HO107 1536/ 322, an “Emmie” Manning is listed at Nicholas street, Shoreditch, Middlesex.  Her year of birth is 1828.  Her birthplace:  Clifton, Gloucestershire. 
Eunice Mary Manning’s Marriage Record (Nov 1851) states she was living in Nicholas Street, (St John the Baptist, Hoxton, Middlesex)
(I’ll have to look at the image next time I’m at the library & check the writing.)
So it looks as though it all fits.

Question I have are:
1. John’s age on 1841 Census of 33 indicates a birth year of 1807/8.  So in 1827 he possibly was just 21 years of age.  Could he have been a Reverend (clerk) at that age?
2. What was is date of birth and who were John’s parents?
3. After the information provided, when did John Manning die?

Thanks

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Re: Do the pieces fit for Eunice Mary Manning’s parents?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 May 16 22:18 BST (UK) »
The HO or RG refs aren't needed when you specify a year.
Piece /folio/page


The 1851 for Eunice Bungey:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKV8-MQD4

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Re: Do the pieces fit for Eunice Mary Manning’s parents?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 May 16 12:44 BST (UK) »
The HO or RG refs aren't needed when you specify a year.
Piece /folio/page


The 1851 for Eunice Bungey:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKV8-MQD4

Hi Maureen
That's the daughter "Emmie" (although I think she is actually Eunice) Manning born c 1828 rather than her mother Eunice Bungey.
Jan
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: Do the pieces fit for Eunice Mary Manning’s parents?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 May 16 15:09 BST (UK) »
The HO or RG refs aren't needed when you specify a year.
Piece /folio/page


The 1851 for Eunice Bungey:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKV8-MQD4

Hi Maureen
That's the daughter "Emmie" (although I think she is actually Eunice) Manning born c 1828 rather than her mother Eunice Bungey.
Jan

Yes. Sorry-I didn't set up that post very well. The link to Family Search is the mother and the snippet from the 1851 is the daughter. :)

Maureen