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Re: Patrick Farrell born abt 1858 Manchester or Ireland ?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 May 16 12:33 BST (UK) »
I don't think there is enough evidence yet re the censuses pre 1881.

Do the marriage witnesses give any clues - family members?

Michael, the brother, is born abt 1860/2 in 1901 and 1911 which is different to the one in pre 1881.
He married Winifred Gegan according to Lancs BMD.

It would be worth trying to establish that birthplace from 1911.

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Re: Patrick Farrell born abt 1858 Manchester or Ireland ?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 May 16 12:43 BST (UK) »
There is a Patrick baptised 3rd March 1859 to Michael and Elizabeth Ullagh  ???
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632424#page/163/mode/1up

There is also a Michael to the same couple in 1861.

Sadly, though no townland of residence given, just Granard parish.
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Re: Patrick Farrell born abt 1858 Manchester or Ireland ?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 May 16 13:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Heywood

Witnesses on the marriage cert for Patrick & Mary Ann Cox were John Riley and Ellen Cox. Have had no  joy with the Riley name... Ellen Cox could be Mary Ann's sister or mother (or some other relative...) Ellen Cox (Mary Ann's sister) married a Donnelly...

The Gegan/Geagan name (Michael's 2nd wife) I remember my grandmother talking about... known as 'Old Mother Gegan' she apparently terrified my grandmother (b1910)who as a small child used to hide under the table when she visited and couldn't be coaxed out... she smoked a clay pipe and had a fearsome face/character...my grandmother held that view well into her nineties... Now, whether Michaels 2nd wife was 'this Gegan', who knows... but seems a bit co-incidental... ;)

As I rack my brains, I cannot ever remember my grandmother talking about her grandfather Patrick Farrell when she was recalling childhood memories and stories, so it could be he was deceased by the time she was born or shortly after... (she knew of his existence and that his wife died young, but I don't recall anything else...)

I can see a death record for a Patrick Farrell b1856 who died 1909 in Manchester...but it could be a long shot and not uncover any useful information... :-\

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Turner - Manchester (esp Emily born circa 1853/1855)
Jones - Hulme/Manchester (esp Henry born circa 1847)
Cottrells - Ness/Neston (esp Margaret born circa 1874/1875)
Ellis - Neston and other Cheshire
Butlers - Stockport
Clarke - Whittington, Staffordshire UK and USA

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Re: Patrick Farrell born abt 1858 Manchester or Ireland ?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 24 May 16 13:25 BST (UK) »
The Farrell-Gegan marriage was in 1899 so if your grandmother was born c1910 then "Old Mother Gegan" is more likely to be someone else.
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Re: Patrick Farrell born abt 1858 Manchester or Ireland ?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 24 May 16 13:27 BST (UK) »
I don't think there is enough evidence yet re the censuses pre 1881.

Do the marriage witnesses give any clues - family members?

Michael, the brother, is born abt 1860/2 in 1901 and 1911 which is different to the one in pre 1881.
He married Winifred Gegan according to Lancs BMD.

It would be worth trying to establish that birthplace from 1911.

Regards
Heywood

Here is the birthplace from the 1911 census....???
Thank you!
Lisa

Turner - Manchester (esp Emily born circa 1853/1855)
Jones - Hulme/Manchester (esp Henry born circa 1847)
Cottrells - Ness/Neston (esp Margaret born circa 1874/1875)
Ellis - Neston and other Cheshire
Butlers - Stockport
Clarke - Whittington, Staffordshire UK and USA

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Re: Patrick Farrell born abt 1858 Manchester or Ireland ?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 24 May 16 13:37 BST (UK) »
For whatever reason, it is not allowing me to attach a 240kb file attachment... keep getting...
"Internal Error - Sorry! There is already an attachment with the same filename as the one you tried to upload. Please rename the file and try again" Have renamed, resized...nothing seems to work...

It looks like Corteon Co. Longford???

Turner - Manchester (esp Emily born circa 1853/1855)
Jones - Hulme/Manchester (esp Henry born circa 1847)
Cottrells - Ness/Neston (esp Margaret born circa 1874/1875)
Ellis - Neston and other Cheshire
Butlers - Stockport
Clarke - Whittington, Staffordshire UK and USA

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Re: Patrick Farrell born abt 1858 Manchester or Ireland ?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 24 May 16 13:48 BST (UK) »
Another attempt
Turner - Manchester (esp Emily born circa 1853/1855)
Jones - Hulme/Manchester (esp Henry born circa 1847)
Cottrells - Ness/Neston (esp Margaret born circa 1874/1875)
Ellis - Neston and other Cheshire
Butlers - Stockport
Clarke - Whittington, Staffordshire UK and USA

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Re: Patrick Farrell born abt 1858 Manchester or Ireland ?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 24 May 16 14:48 BST (UK) »
There's no such townland as Corteen in Co. Longford but there is a Gorteen in Clonbroney civil parish-
http://www.thecore.com/
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Re: Patrick Farrell born abt 1858 Manchester or Ireland ?
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 24 May 16 15:27 BST (UK) »
There is a Cartron in Granard parish.

https://www.townlands.ie/longford/granard1/

And several others with a similar name - link here
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