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Re: John Banton and wife Catherine
« Reply #9 on: Friday 20 May 16 18:53 BST (UK) »
mazzi/Mike,
Where did you find the 1841 Catharine and Jno listed? I'm pretty confident about the 1841 census where Catherine is with her son and daughter-in-law, but am just wondering if your information pre-dates the survey? Or is it in the same census?


That Catherine has me worried, I am not convinced she is Williams mother.
The biblical names for the children may hint at this family being nonconformist, but I cannot find a William with mother Catherine

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Re: John Banton and wife Catherine
« Reply #10 on: Friday 20 May 16 18:56 BST (UK) »
Mike,

Yes, it's James' parents. I have noted the discrepancy with Elizabeth's birth and have sent for what I think is her birth certificate, to check the father.

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Re: John Banton and wife Catherine
« Reply #11 on: Friday 20 May 16 19:01 BST (UK) »
Mike,

I have a William christened 28 September 1817, in Manchester Cathedral. Parents John and Catherine Banton. The cathedral certainly has family connections, as it is where William's son James was married to Martha.

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Re: John Banton and wife Catherine
« Reply #12 on: Friday 20 May 16 19:05 BST (UK) »
rosie99:
Yes, that's the one. Another son, James, was born in 1843.


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Re: John Banton and wife Catherine
« Reply #13 on: Friday 20 May 16 19:57 BST (UK) »
Mike,

I have a William christened 28 September 1817, in Manchester Cathedral. Parents John and Catherine Banton. The cathedral certainly has family connections, as it is where William's son James was married to Martha.

Unless it was a late christening he would be too young to have married Ellen, also that John and Catherine seem to have other children later until 1838, so cannot be the Catherine aged 70 in 1841.

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Re: John Banton and wife Catherine
« Reply #14 on: Friday 20 May 16 22:19 BST (UK) »
Yes, Mike. From the link you sent me I see a lot more children for John and Catherine, which makes it impossible for the 1841 Catherine to be William's mother. I had just assumed that. Perhaps it was an aunt? I wonder also if they are the same John and Catherine registering the children? Again, I had assumed a late christening for William: one of my grandfathers wasn't christened until he was 20, but I can see it perhaps needs more investigation. Where to start?!

Thanks for all your help so far.

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Re: John Banton and wife Catherine
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 21 May 16 18:31 BST (UK) »
The Lancs opc site is usually quite useful but I'm not coming up with much from it this time!

The only possible hit I can see for this family is this:

Baptism: 8 May 1836 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Martha Banton - daughter of John Banton & Catherine
    Born: 15 Mar 1836
    Abode: Manchr
    Occupation: Labourer
    Baptised by: H. Fielding
    Register: Baptisms 1836, Page 262, Entry 2094
    Source: LDS Film 1545610

-- no saying this is the correct family.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: John Banton and wife Catherine
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 21 May 16 18:38 BST (UK) »
-- However, cross-referencing with the list of baptisms to children of John and Catherine Banton which shows on an ancestry search, Martha is included here; the children are reasonably spaced, allowing for a coupe of gaps (still births?); and Martha was born not too long before being baptised.

William is the first on this list, the last is Thomas in 1841; a 24 year period of childbearing, suggesting that Catherine would have been pretty young when she had William, that any marriage was probably not long before William's birth, and that both parents of this family were still around at the time of the 1841 census.

But is it the right family? Are we trying to look forwards from John and Catherine, or back from William and Ellen?
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: John Banton and wife Catherine
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 21 May 16 19:08 BST (UK) »
Are we looking for the parents of James Banton, fisherman in 1871, with wife Martha and dau. Elizabeth, eliz. seems to have been born two years before the marriage, James may not be the father

Mike
rosie99:
Yes, that's the one. Another son, James, was born in 1843.


This is the search annie65115, if you like a challenge

Mike

Added, the marriage was in Manchester cath.