John Banton and wife Catherine

[Brutushedge]

After all the great help this forum gave me with the Wells family, I wonder if anyone can help with the Bantons?

I am having difficulty finding much about John Banton and his wife Catherine (maiden name unknown). They certainly had 1 son, William, who as far as I can see was born in Manchester, about 1810, and married Ellen Barlow on May 31, 1829 in Prestwhich, Lancashire. On 1841 census, Catherine is living with William and Ellen and family, aged 70. Is husband John dead by this date? Catherine does not appear on the 1851 census, and I have found a Catherine BANTAM buried 18 October 1846 in Ancoats, Manchester. Not sure if that is her.

I can find no marriage record for John and Catherine, and no real details for John at all. Manchester and the surrounding areas seem to be key, but possibly not exclusive. Can anyone help?

Thanks.

[clairec666]

The burial of Catherine Bantam you mentioned is on Familysearch, and she is age 77, born about 1769. It's likely to be the same Catherine on the 1841 census. Remember that the age was rounded down to the nearest 5 years on that census; also people were unsure of their age around that time.

Catherine's husband is probably dead by 1841, but since marital condition isn't stated you can't be sure.

[Brutushedge]

Thanks, Claire. That's useful to know

[mazi]

I cen also see in 1841 a Catharine Banton and husband Jno and children living in Manchester,
Are these connected in any way?

Mike

[philipsearching]

On the 1841 census is Catherine recorded as being born in-county?

If not, you may have quite a search ahead!  The population of Manchester increased hugely as the cotton industry expanded.  Mechanisation had reduced the number of agriculutural labourers needed so poor people went to find work in factories.

[Brutushedge]

mazzi/Mike,
Where did you find the 1841 Catharine and Jno listed? I'm pretty confident about the 1841 census where Catherine is with her son and daughter-in-law, but am just wondering if your information pre-dates the survey? Or is it in the same census?

[mazi]

I found it on Familysearch, searching for Catherine Banton in Lancashire residence 1840-1842,
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3ACatharine~%20%2Bsurname%3ABanton~%20%2Bresidence_place%3ALancashire~%20%2Bresidence_year%3A1840-1842~%20%2Bany_place%3AEngland~%20%2Bany_year%3A1810-1863~

Sorry I have not learnt how to shrink links  :

Mike

[mazi]

Are we looking for the parents of James Banton, fisherman in 1871, with wife Martha and dau. Elizabeth, eliz. seems to have been born two years before the marriage, James may not be the father

Mike

[rosie99]

Is this the entry you refer to in 1841 you have with Catherine age 70 which is in Bury, Lancashire
William Banton   30   
Ellen      35   
Joseph   11   
Bethsheba 6   
Levina   4   
Stevens   Banton 2   
Catherine   Banton   70   
all born Lancashire