lizzie and rebecca

[broadstairs]

Two of my wife's Great Grand mothers children were born in South America one in1856 and one in1863. the mother was born in 1823 in Monaghan Ireland. Her husband was a Master Mariner called John Henry How did she get to South America at that time



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[aghadowey]

Two of my wife's Great Grand mothers children were born in South America one in1856 and one in1863. the mother was born in 1823 in Monaghan Ireland. Her husband was a Master Mariner called John Henry How did she get to South America at that time

Census pages are usually copyright and we are only allowed to post a small portion for deciphering purposes so it's best to post just the link-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton/Brookvale_Drive/960800/

It wasn't uncommon for mariners to bring their wives and children with them on voyages. My great-grandmother raised her 1st two children onboard her husband's ship and gave birth to the 3rd child with the first mate acting as 'midwife.' Her mother-in-law loved visiting Turkey so anytime her husband had to stop there she left the children with various relatives and moved aboard!
If John Henry was based in South America for a time his wife could have gone to South America and stayed on shore nearby or even lived on the ship.

Added- the children born in South America are Lizzie and Jane according to the census?

However, here's Rebecca Henry born in South America in 1891 English census-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXX-PM3K

English Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

[broadstairs]

Thank you for your reply to my previous post. I have John Henry Master Mariner as my wife's Great Grandfather, he is not on any census probably at sea. Have looked on the Clip Website for Master Mariners  and have found 4 only in in early 1800's. have not got enough information to carry out a search. how can I find his family. He lived at 130 Windsor St Liverpool in the 1881 census and advertised  from there as a master Mariner in the Kelly's Directory for that year. They also supposed to have a shop, but the Greens Directory has the address as a house in earlier times.

[spendlove]

Hi

On ancestry.co.uk there are records "Liverpool  England Crew Lists" which show information about
A number of People named John Henry:-


John Henry born 1816, Dungawan sailed on ship AREIAL December 1876.

If you do no have access to Ancestry try at your local library.

spendlove

[trish1120]

I must say there are some confused Trees due to the 1871 Census in Liverpool;

Eliza Logan Henry, 45, Head, Mar, born Ireland
Rebecca Jane Henry, 9, Daug, born at Sea
Robert George Henry, 7, Son, born Liverpool
Janes Murdock Henry, 5 (James), born Liverpool
George Hartell Sports (Spark), 4, Visitor
Mary Ellen Weall, 19, Daug, Unm
Annabella Weall, 14, Daug, Unm
Sarah Ellen Webster, 14, Servant
RG10/3796/36/7

Most Trees have the Weall Girls as Daughters of RICHARD* Henry and Eliza Logan.
(only as there is a 1851 Census in Northumberland with a Richard/Eliza)


1891 the Girls are with their Parents;
Anthony H Wheale, 70
Mary Wheale, 70
Mary E Wheale, 39
Annabella Wheale, 34
Selina Wheale, 29

1881 with their Mother;
Mary Weale, 60
Mary E. Weale, 29
Annabella Weale, 24
Selina Weale, 19

1871 the Family minus Mary Ellen and Annabella are lodging in Glous
Anthony G Weale, 54
Mary Weale, 51
Selina Weale, 9


The enumerator has just added 2 Households together in 1871.

May I ask how you know that Lizzie.Rebecca and the othere Childrens Father was JOHN?

Do you have a Childs Birth Cert or M/C to confirm it?

Trish 

[trish1120]

I cant find the 1891 Census for the Henrys on Anc. even though you have given a link aghadowey

I wanted to see if Eliza was Widowed in 1891.

There is a Death Reg, Sept 1889, Toxteth Park, 8b 196
JOHN Henry age 67 (Birth c 1822)
 

[carol8353]

However, here's Rebecca Henry born in South America in 1891 English census-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXX-PM3K

English Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Although that says 1891,it does infact come up on Family Search as 1881 Trish?

[broadstairs]

Thank you for your interest. I have been looking for John Henry for 3 years. If you are on ancestry look for Elizabeth Murdock on public tree's my tree is under henry 1. Go to Elizabeth Murdock and down to media at the bottom. let me know if you find it .Any help would be appreciated.

[Blue70]

The daughter on the 1881 Census was an "assistant in shop" but the property does appear to be a house so I would think her workplace was elsewhere.


Blue