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Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 26 May 16 23:57 BST (UK) »
Glad you've sorted it, Grisel. William Ker of Ancram is my 1st cousin, 14 times removed.

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Dumfriesshire: Martin, Lorrain(e), Smart, Muir
Roxburghshire, Selkirkshire: Lorrain, Turnbull, Riddell, Elliot(t), Ker(r), Scott
Lancashire, Cheshire: Johnston, Rutter, Barrow
Ayrshire, Lanarkshire: Jamieson, Glasgow, Thomson, Riddet, Blair
Clackmannan, Fife, Stirling: Simpson, Kirk, Stein, Pryde, Penman, Hempseed, Bauchop
Kincardineshire: Craig, Stewart

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Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« Reply #19 on: Friday 27 May 16 00:25 BST (UK) »

The William that died in 1590?

He's my 10th great grandfather

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Wonder how many great10 grandchildren he has now?

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Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« Reply #20 on: Friday 27 May 16 11:23 BST (UK) »
Yes, that's right. I gather William was murdered by his nephew, Sir Robert Ker of Cessford (later 1st Earl of Roxburghe) in 1590. William's aunt, Janet Ker, was my 13th g-grandmother by her first marriage, which was to George Turnbull.

And I reckon the great10-grandchildren must run into the hundreds, if not thousands

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Dumfriesshire: Martin, Lorrain(e), Smart, Muir
Roxburghshire, Selkirkshire: Lorrain, Turnbull, Riddell, Elliot(t), Ker(r), Scott
Lancashire, Cheshire: Johnston, Rutter, Barrow
Ayrshire, Lanarkshire: Jamieson, Glasgow, Thomson, Riddet, Blair
Clackmannan, Fife, Stirling: Simpson, Kirk, Stein, Pryde, Penman, Hempseed, Bauchop
Kincardineshire: Craig, Stewart


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Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« Reply #21 on: Friday 27 May 16 15:20 BST (UK) »
I'm guessing thousands would be a good estimate!  I have seen a chart that showed possible # of ancestors in each generation.  I think on the 10th great grandparent level, the number was something over 4,000.  I suppose the numbers would be similar if you turned it around, maybe even more?!
Have you ever read of or traced a link between the Roxburghshire Kers and the Kers of Samuelston, in East Lothian?  I was researching another branch of the family who were ag labs in that part of the country and ran across references to a George Ker and daughter Nicholas who owned land in and around Samuelston.

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Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 15 June 21 11:47 BST (UK) »
Reviving this old thread.

The previous links are broken now so here is a current link to the Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae.

https://archive.org/details/fastiecclesisc02scot/page/86/mode/2up?q=hog


I have been looking at Robert Hogg’s son Alexander and I think the Fasti may be wrong with the date of death. I would love to hear other peoples thoughts on this.

I am looking at this Alexander buried in Roxburgh:

Sacred to the memory of ALEXANDER HOGG formerly tenant in
Homebank who died 30.8.1823 in the 78th year of his age and ISABELLA
YOUNG his spouse died 2.5.1819 aged 70 years also ARCHIBALD HOGG
their son died 28.12.1802 aged 14 years also ANDREW HOGG who died
in infancy also ELISABETH HOGG their daughter died 25.9.1832 aged 55
years also ROBERT HOGG their son died 15.10.1833 aged 62 years also
ANDREW HOGG their son died at Birgam 9.3.1838 aged 17 years also
HELEN HOGG their daughter died at Elwartlaw 5.6.1847 aged 61 years
also MARY HOGG their daughter died 9.9.1848 aged 72 years also
ALEXANDER HOGG their fourth son who died at Elwartlaw 26.1.1851
aged 70 years.
Reverse: Also in memory of JOHN HOGG son of the said parents who
died at Elwartlaw 3.3.1858 aged 75 years and ISABELLA HOGG who
died at Greenlaw 20.6.1863 aged 68 years.


Alexander Hog and Isabella Young had the following children.

Robert - Kersmains 22/06/1771
William - Kersmains 20/02/1773
Mary - Kersmains 31/03/1775
Betty - Kersmains 22/12/1776
Alexander - Kersmains 04/11/1778
Alexander - Kersmains 21/10/1780
John - Kersmains 26/02/1783
Andrew - Kersmains 05/01/1785
Archibald - Kersmains 13/10/1788
Isabel - Kersmains 15/11/1795
Christian - Kersmains 23/08/1802

I think the last two are probably not Alexander’s and likely concealed illegitimacy of either Mary or Betty or both but anyway.
The reasons I am thinking Rev Robert Hogg may be this Alexander’s father is Alexander’s children mostly died in Berwickshire but were buried in Roxburgh, this suggests a family connection to me and the names of his children. His first son is named Robert, his first daughter Mary. The pattern is slightly out from the traditional naming convention but Alexander Hog and Bessie Mein (Robert’s parents) followed the same pattern when naming their children.

Questions for people who know the graveyard well. How close are the gravestones, is this in the same area as Rev Robert Hogg and his father Alexander? Is this a family plot? Is there another Alexander Hogg buried in Roxburgh that ties-in with the Fasti date of 1774? And finally, how likely is the Fasti to be wrong? Was there a revised edition with corrections?

Many thanks for your help and for the work previously on this thread.

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Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 15 June 21 21:50 BST (UK) »
Hi

I'm not sure of the whereabouts of the grave of Alexander and family, but Robert Hogg's memorial and the plaque presumed to name his parents, grandparents and great-grandparents are both on the wall of the church.
I can't comment on the accuracy of the Fasti, though other dates given for this family appear to be corroborated on the gravestones.
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Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 08:41 BST (UK) »
Thank you. Great to see the photos.

I’d initially rejected Rev Robert as the father because of the Fasti record but questioning it, and looking again, I think there is a strong possibility there may be an error. It’s a niggling thought I’d like to prove one way or the other.

I think if Rev Robert’s son Alexander died before Robert I would expect an inscription to him in the Kirkyard, especially as Robert is the Reverend there. Finding such an inscription would settle my Fasti doubts.


The dates line up depending on the inscription interpretation.

Rev Robert’s Alexander was born 11 May 1746 (indexed as 13th on SP).

The Homebank Alexander died on 30 August 1823.

Working out the age between the two gives me 77 years 3 months and 19 days to be exact. 

Now it’s all about how “in the 78th year of his age” is interpreted.



While searching, I see the Roxburgh Parish Church is up for sale.

https://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/about-us/property-and-church-buildings/properties-for-sale/properties/churches-and-halls/roxburgh_church2

Offers around £85,000. Some really nice photos. I have never visited but feel strangely connected from pouring through the records and I'm sad to see it on the market.

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Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 11:33 BST (UK) »
Hi
I walked to the kirk this morning (it's 'under offer', by the way.)

Significantly, Alexander's stone is right next to the Hogg family plaque which we supposed (see earlier postings in this thread) to commemorate Rev. Robert's parents, grandparents and great-grandparents.
Rev. Robert's memorial is at the opposite end of the wall.

I would agree that there is likely an error in the Fasti. Someone who has had their 77th birthday is then in the 78th year of their age, so the dates fit perfectly for Homebank Alexander (is that the Homebank near Birgham?).
(See separate post for close-up photo of grave- too big for one post.)

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Webster- Northowram
Brick wall: Maria Blaymires  c 1800 Northowram

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Re: Rev. Robert Hogg of Roxburgh
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 16 June 21 11:37 BST (UK) »
Close-up of Alexander Hogg's stone- I can confirm that the dates are '1823' and '78th year of his age'.
Bradley, Gledhill, Dodson, Norcliffe, Kaye, Matthewman- all Berry Brow/Almondbury
Webster- Northowram
Brick wall: Maria Blaymires  c 1800 Northowram