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Re: Michael and Honoria Ryan of Latteragh
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 18 April 19 05:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Mary,
That is interesting. Your great grandfather Denis would probably have been first or second cousin of my great grandfather. I have looked through the Glenkeen grave listings, but none exactly correspond to ours. As for the DNA, the link is not surprising - many in Ireland would have similar DNA to us, their ancestors, especially those around the same area.
The link to book was posted - it is available as ebook, as well as print. Here's the link again.Some facts in this book are incorrect though, not sure why the author didn't contact the contemporary Ryans to check some things.
https://au.blurb.com/b/8345087-tipperary-green-to-victoria-gold

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Re: Michael and Honoria Ryan of Latteragh
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 18 April 19 06:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Mary, also Michael Ryan was born 1819, and my great grandfather John Ryan (his brother) was born 1831, but all 7 (who came to Australia from that family) were born in Latteragh.
Their father Michael (who married Honora Kennedy) was born in 1798 I think.


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Re: Michael and Honoria Ryan of Latteragh
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 18 April 19 13:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much Gig! I have ordered that book.

 I also checked my prior communication with my DNA match and he is from Michael and Honoria Kennedy, then Michael b 1819, then John b 1831, then Bridget b 1881. I have many ancestors from different parts of Ireland and some others even in North Tipp.on my grandmother's side. But this DNA match shares other matches with me (2nd and 3rd cousins) along a clear and distinct family line of Ryan's from Latteragh. He matches my brother and I at 4th cousin level which is a strong match at high confidence level. I was excited to find him!

I was in touch with someone who was documenting all the stones at Glenkeen last year. He stated that he couldn't find these Ryan's there but that he confirmed they were there from a local descendant. He did stumble upon an area where a stone was laying on the ground and was hard to read and he had thought it could be theirs for some reason.

There was an article in the Nenagh Guardian around 1900 when the Ryans were renewing their pub license that stated the Ryan's had held a license there for 4 generations. Another article from the 1860's had a Michael Ryan working in the pub. A fairly common name...but who knows..maybe it was your Michael b 1798!




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Re: Michael and Honoria Ryan of Latteragh
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 18 April 19 17:06 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 18 April 19 17:15 BST (UK) »
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Re: Michael and Honoria Ryan of Latteragh
« Reply #14 on: Friday 19 April 19 16:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Mary,

No doubt we are related then. My ancestors were farmers in Ireland, as were my Australian ancestors. I and some of my siblings have gone through all the gravestones at Latteragh, but none matched with ours, and neither do the Glenkeen ones. Now these are all online too.
http://tipperarystudies.ie/digitisation-project/gravestone-inscriptions/

Maybe the Ryans who ran pub were first or second cousins of my family. We had assumed that parents (Michael and Honor/Honoria) of those who came to Australia had died in famine, but Honora and one daughter Mary remained (she was married to Jeremiah Toohey and they had their own family by the time the other 7 left in 1853, arriving in Aust. 1854). There were terrible clearances around Latteragh and Toomevara (where Honora Kennedy was from) - over 500 tenants were evicted from Toomevara and many from Latteragh too, so very dire circumstances. Sending all their children away must have seemed like the only chance for a future. Michael would have died by 1853.
Your great great great grandfather Denis may have been Michael's (my great great grandfather's) cousin, they were born the same year.

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Re: Michael and Honoria Ryan of Latteragh
« Reply #15 on: Monday 22 April 19 06:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Mary. Your story is very interesting and yes we could be related because from memory Michael did have a brother who had a plot next to him. The book 'Tipperary Green to Victoria Gold' is still available at: au.blurb.com/b/8345087. I am sure that book could help you with some information. Let me know how you get on. Regards Brian

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Re: Michael and Honoria Ryan of Latteragh
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 23 April 19 03:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Gig. I was just reading your post back to Mary about the book Tipperary Green to Victoria Gold and in it you said some of the facts were incorrect. If they are I am sure the author Elizabeth McDonald would love to hear from you so she could get the facts straight if you haven't already done that. Brian

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Re: Michael and Honoria Ryan of Latteragh
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 23 April 19 03:16 BST (UK) »
Thank you both for your feedback! I did order the book! I'm sure we are all related! My Great grandfather Dennis here in the US settled in the Adirondack Mountains of upstate NY near the Canadian border. He had 5 children and 1 of them had 13 children, and another had 9. There are a huge number of descendants from them here on this side :)