Clowes conundrum

[vinpip]

Hello again 

I was hoping to get a bit of insight into my latest conundrum. I've had so much fabulous help and pointers before I'm sure someone out there will be able to help again 
It's a bit complicated (isn't it always?!) so I'll try and be as clear and concise as possible.

Thomas Clowes born April 1859 Onecote, Staffs (Leek reg.)

Parents - Elisha and Emma. (I have all their info)
I have baptism and census info for Thomas up to 1871 when he was 11 living with parents in Cheddleton,Staffs.

Last year I was convinced I had found him in the 1881 census in London with wife Charlotte and had found his marriage. Also a link to his job at the railway. I have lots of info about the wife & her child before 1881 but not after.
Previous thread March last year (not all that much info) http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=717057.msg5607874#msg5607874    but now I'm not so sure!

I held off sending for the marriage cert (I know I'm going to have to get it eventually or wait until  Rutland PR copies come online.) But as I've come back to this problem I've come across some conflicting info :-
1882 Military Service Attestation http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo97%2f2518%2f40189
This is definitely him as Elisha & Emma are stated next of kin. The problem is that he says he hasn't resided out of his father's house for 3 years and states that he isn't married.
This doc does say he was discharged 1888 after a long list of missing parade, escaping from barracks, having a very bad attitude and for being "incorrigible and worthless"

Now I can't find anything solid about him after this. Nor for his wife and adopted child. I've found possibilities of him being in asylums and criminal cases but they don't really hold up.

What I'd like to know : your thoughts on the situation,
                                 another option for Thomas on 1881 census,
                                 where he & his possible family are after 1881

I know the marriage cert will confirm if it's him or not but it wont further where he was after 1881 or where his possible family were. The military document has put me off getting it just yet so I'd like just to be sure I've not missed anything before I send for it.

I hope I've made some sort of sense and I will clarify anything that I can.
Thanks so much, fingers crossed 
                     

[vinpip]

UPDATE

I did the sensible thing & ordered the marriage cert :- Father Eli Clowes - steward

His father was Elisha Clowes and he was a land agent to the Sneyd family.

Do you agree I have the right marriage?

[hepburn]

Going off the subject slightly...

This marriage is on Lancashire OnLine Parish Clerks Register...

Marriage: 4 Aug 1883 St James, Broughton, Lancs.
Frederick Clowes - 21, Clerk, Bachelor, 81 Grosvenor Street
Lilian Dale - 19, Spinster, 84 Grosvenor Street
    Groom's Father: Elisha Clowes, Land Agent
    Bride's Father: Andrew Dale, Gardener
    Witness: John Robert Morrey; Fanny Dale
    Married by Banns by: C. E. Stewart, Rector
    Register: Marriages 1879 - 1895, Page 48, Entry 95
    Source: Original Parish Register

[vinpip]

Hi hepburn Thanks

Yes Frederick, that's his brother and my gg grandfather . It seems a lot of the siblings married away.
Do you think I have the right marriage for Thomas?

I've jut checked some of my research for Elisha and I've found him under Land Steward in the Midland trade directories. So the profession ties up.

[vinpip]

So know I have
Thomas Clowes born April 1859 Onecote (Leek reg)
1861 Census Onecote, Staffs
1871 Census Cheddleton Staffs
1880 2nd Dec Marries Charlotte Tewson (Widow) at Manton Rutland
Working as a train porter at Manton until transfer to St Pancras London
1881 Census St James Clerkenwell London with wife Charlotte Tewson & daughter Emma (previous marriage) porter on railway
1882 882 Military Service Attestation http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo97%2f2518%2f40189
This is definitely him as Elisha & Emma are stated next of kin. The problem is that he says he hasn't resided out of his father's house for 3 years and states that he isn't married.
This doc does say he was discharged 1888 after a long list of missing parade, escaping from barracks, having a very bad attitude and for being "incorrigible and worthless"

So what happened to Charlotte and Emma?
To make him travel up to Berwick upon Tweed to join the army and state he wasn't married?

I have more details for Charlotte & Emma but not sure to if to bombard with more info?

[Jomot]

A possible for Emma is that she reverted to Tewson and married Harry Salisbury at Christ Church, Bacup in 1904.  Possibly showing as the adopted daughter of the Nuttall family in Bacup in 1901 

[vinpip]

thanks Jomot that's a great new lead. I'll look into that!
As far as I can tell Emma was born Q3 1877 Oakham Rutland and her father is John Tewson.

[vinpip]

That all looks quite possible Jomot!
The adoptive daughter and the marriage looks good but I can't find any links with this Nuttall family before 1901
Any ideas for 1891?

[Jomot]

Sorry, cant find a thing for 1891.

I haven't had much chance to look into it but I noticed that a Jane Tewson married either John Nuttall or Thomas Moore in Jan-Mar 1881, Nottingham, and in the 1881 census there is a John & Jane Nuttall in the Haslingden area.  It could be nothing but I thought I'd mention it.