William THOMAS - living in Ffynonddrain in 1911

[willyam]

Please can anyone help with regard to the following?

I am hoping that someone may have previously researched William THOMAS, who is listed as a mourner at my great-grandmother's funeral in Carmarthen in March 1909.

In the LLGC extract of the report of her funeral http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3795870/3795873/34/ he is mentioned as a cousin.

From this reference I have connected to a William THOMAS in the 1911 census who is living in Ffynonddrain and I believe that this is the same person - because his place of birth is recorded as Llanegwad and the birthplace of my great-grandmother, Mary DAVIES (nee Davies), was also recorded as Llanegwad in the 1881/1891/1901 censuses.

My interest in William is to hopefully identify his ancestry and to thus thereby identify which of the (4?) Llanegwad Mary DAVIES's (born about 1848/49) is my great-grandmother.

Willyam

[MarMnkly]

Hi Willyam
you say that Mary Davies was also a Davies before she married Daniel Davies; does this mean you have a copy of her marriage certificate which would give her fathers name?

Mar 

[willyam]

Hello Mar,

Regrettably I do not yet have the marriage certificate.

My great-grandmother's maiden name of DAVIES comes only from my grandmother's birth certificate.

At the moment, the only information that I have regarding the marriage derives from the 1911 census where my (widowed) great-grandfather has inadvertently recorded that the marriage had lasted for 38 years. As I do not know whether he was reckoning up to 1909 or 1911 the best I can do is to assume that the marriage took place sometime between 1870 & 1873.

Using these parameters, and assuming that they married in Wales, I have identified 9 potential marriage records.

However, were I to splash out and obtain all of these certificates, without previously knowing (one or both of) the respective fathers names I would still not be certain which of the marriage partners are my great-grandparents.

Equally frustrating is that I also do not have any parental information for my great-grandfather - Daniel DAVIES, who was born in Dowlais in about 1848.

Willyam

[Annette7]

Can you give the details of William Thomas who you've found in 1911 i.e. age, occupation, status, other family members, etc.?   

Welsh place names can be a minefield for those not familiar with them and Ffynonddrain does not appear in the browseable place names for any census.

Annette



 

[keyboard86]

Hi re Daniel Davies b c 1848, there is this baptism:-

Daniel Davies 23rd July 1849 Dowlais Father David occ Puddler Mother Anne

EDIT no not this poor boy he dies aged 5 months
Keyboard86

[willyam]

Annette,

Thank you for causing me to focus my mind on the basic detail that I should have absorbed from the outset.

I say this because, in the process of identifying the relevant census record for your consideration, I have now looked carefully at the full transcript rather than simply at the respective names on the image.

In doing so it is quite plain that the address that William THOMAS (a Farmer, born in Llanegwad  c1866) was living at is in Ffynonnberwin and not Ffynnondrain!

Having got myself into such a pickle I feel that, with apologies all round, it is probably best to abandon this line of research for the time being.

Willyam

[Mabel Bagshawe]

He is on 1911 - you need to follow the spelling  in the newspaper report which is Ffynonddrain, which seems to be a hamlet rather than one dwelling. THis is the family in 1901

Mary Thomas    57 - widow b Newchurch
William Thomas    24 - carpenter/joiner b Newchurch, son
Mary Anne Thomas    18 - dressmaker b Newchurch, daughter
Lizzie Thomas    16 -  dressmaker b Newchurch, daughter
Everett Davies    41 - boarder b Llangain

RG13, 5115, 56, 3

[Mabel Bagshawe]

1891 - Ffynonddrain

Samuel Thomas    58 - b abernant, labourer
Mary Thomas    46 - b Newchurch
Hetty Thomas    19 - b Merthyr, Carms
David Thomas    11 - b Merthyr, Carms
Mary A Thomas    8 - b Merthyr, Carms
Lizzie Thomas    6 - b Merthyr, Carms

possible in 1881 - address Cwrtcapel

Samuel Thomas    50 - b Abernant, labourer and grocer
Mary Thomas    37 - b Newchurch
Henry Thomas    11 - b Merthyr, Carms
Esther Thomas    9 - b Merthyr, Carms
Margret Thomas    6 - b Merthyr, Carms
William Thomas    4 - b Merthyr, Carms
David Thomas      - b Merthyr, Carms
Commina Thomas    54 - brother, widower, b Abernant

RG11, 5400, 67, 9