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John James Hood Lingard and Sarah Hall
« on: Friday 01 July 16 17:00 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone, I've been researching like mad this last few months and as is inevitably the case with these things, I have come upon a complete and utter dead end with regards to one particular part of the tree.

Namely, my 5x Great grandparents John James Hood Lingard and Sarah (Carew?) Hall. I've done a shed load of research into these two (especially JJH Lingard) but am struggling to push things back any further with them.

I can get back to JJH Lingards father John (an Umbrella maker from Cheapside) and possibly once more to his grandfather...John ; )

But with regards to Sarah, I can only find mention of her mother Margaret Hall in Sarahs marriage to JJH Lingard.

There are countless people on the dreaded ancestry.com who seem to have Sarah with Carew as a middle name, though none of them actually have any sources listed to support this. I am therefore taking it with a pinch of the proverbial until I can prove or refute it for myself.

Here is everything I know about Sarah Hall:

. According to her marriage banns she is "of" the Parish St George, Hanover Square, Middlesex.

. She has to be born very close to 1772 as she's listed as a minor of the age 19 and upwards on said marriage banns).

. Her Mother Margaret Hall is a widow by the time of the wedding in 1791.

. After her marriage to JJH she has two children (that I know of). JJH Jr in 1792 and William Henry in 1796.

As I say It is mostly her ancestors I am in need of help with, I'm also curious to see if anyone has any ideas about the Carew connection (if indeed there is one)...



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Re: John James Hood Lingard and Sarah Hall
« Reply #1 on: Friday 01 July 16 17:46 BST (UK) »
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Re: John James Hood Lingard and Sarah Hall
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 02 July 16 12:18 BST (UK) »
Of course, sorry I didnt realise. I'll read the guidelines more thoroughly.


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Re: John James Hood Lingard and Sarah Hall
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 July 17 12:21 BST (UK) »
Hello

I should be okay posting these as they are older than 75 years (also over 100 years for privacy) and also available for free download from a free internet search anyway, with a series of search interrogations.


I've got a terrible problem too with my HOODs at Selby, loads of information back to 1812, plus several possible descents before 1812 (besides all the Registrar Certificates and Census, including other branches, loads of Wills, property registrations etc.) and I've been stuck for 18 years!


London Gazette
1st May 1827

JOHN JAMES HOOD otherwise WOOD LINGARD

Internet also returns ...
Lingard John James Hood
Lingard John James Hood, otherwise Wood.


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The question is now, is this chap passing himself off as Wood simply due to financial pressures (to hide), or has he, or an ancestor changed from WOOD to HOOD?


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When searching the internet try putting various words in commas and in different order/sequences and you don't have to put all the words in commas (in the search bar) if unsure of the order in which they were originally printed.


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Re: John James Hood Lingard and Sarah Hall
« Reply #4 on: Monday 25 March 19 21:40 GMT (UK) »
I am new to this, Mamsoth.  JJH Lingard is my GGGrandfather and I have subsequent family history and some - straight line only - prior to him.  I knew of the Brazen business but have yet to read the details.  It would be nice to achieve personal contact but I do not know how to do that within the rules of Rootschat since we appear to be related if a little distantly!  Also not sure yet how to get back to see your responses but I will work that out in due course.

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Re: John James Hood Lingard and Sarah Hall
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 12:45 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning, Mamsoth.  I got your response from last evening but could not reply directly as there was no reply button and 'New Message' told me that I could not send a personal message.  I must learn more of the system.  I am descended from John Hood (b. 1842) who had a most interesting career and it was he I was investigating when I came across your posts and joined this forum.  My paternal cousin tells me that JJH married 3 times but I know little of them yet.  He appears to have had 4 children and your ancestor William did not have the Hood name and was the last of the direct line not to have held it.  On my line it continues to this day on the male side including our two sons and 3 grandsons.  Interestingly - and with no influence from JJHL my own background includes 36 years RN Service.  Without revealing disallowed detail, you might be permitted to say in which country you live!  Obviously I am in UK.  I have access to one particular tree in Ancestry but it is not one that interests me greatly and I therefore do not know how to use Ancestry but I could take a new look providing the password I have still works!

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Re: John James Hood Lingard and Sarah Hall
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 20:39 GMT (UK) »
I see he is mentioned here ...

MS 11936/498/1005945
at London Metropolitan Archives
Insured: John James Hood Linguard 3 Southampton Street Covent Garden oil and colourman, 1823


The National Archives, Kew,
ADM 13/70/184
Folios: 184 - 185, John James Hood Lengard, then aged 56, married Mary Ann Jones on 30 Apr 1848 at St James Clerkenwell, Middlesex (marriage recorded for potential Royal Navy widow's pension). 1848
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10000148

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Re: John James Hood Lingard and Sarah Hall
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 20:49 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning, Mamsoth.  I got your response from last evening but could not reply directly as there was no reply button and 'New Message' told me that I could not send a personal message.


that is just a security thing,,,, after 3 posts you should have PM capablity.
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Re: John James Hood Lingard and Sarah Hall
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 March 19 11:08 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning Mamsoth,  I now have most of my ducks in a line!  My home program is Roots Magic which was only on an old laptop which was uncharged.  I have now put it on a more modern machine and alongside the main PC.  I think you have accidently introduced an extra generation and I was earlier confused by (almost) the same names. John Lingard (and there were others earlier) was born 1770 and died 14 May 1845.  He was an innkeeper in 3, Ave Maria Lane, City of London.  I have Wills and the City Freeman scroll for him.  (He may have made brollies as well - don't know!)  Don't know name of his spouse.  His family were:  John James Hood (born 1795), Lucy C1800, Sarah Sophia 24 Mar 1794 and William Henry 22 Feb 1796.  William Henry would appear to be your ancestor and brother (not son) of JJH.  Now JJH himself (1795 - 1885)  He married either twice or three times and I do not yet know the names but can see one at least from the recent posts.  His children (and there may be more) I have as: John Hood (my G Grandfather) 4 Apr 1842 - 1926), William (this was the one I thought you meant earlier), Ann, Elizabeth and Rose - I do not have dates for the last 4 as yet).  John Hood seems to have been home educated and went on to do rather well as a teacher and then General Manager of the Daily Mail.  John James Hood was - as you know - a Naval Officer and having made Lieut at age 19 in HMS Abercrombie) he seems to have left the RN (or at least put 'on the beach') since officers rarely gave up their Commissions (I still hold mine on the Retired List) and then came back as a Master on 1 March 1830.  Then Brazen and he finally retired on 8 August 1853.  A Master with his seniority these days would probably be a Lt. Cdr (Navigation specialist ) or PWO(N) to use current terminology.  He might possibly re ranked as a Cdr these days but unlikely with a Court Martial on his record.  It seems he was discharged medically with a double hernia and his record was signed by him on 12 Nov 1851 (date discrepancy or just burocracy?).  His address then was given as 34, Elliots Row, St George's Road, Southwark.  This research was done by my late father so I have not seen the Naval records, but he did.  Other notes from an unknown source think that JJH may have been involved with blockade running during the American Civil War, to the South.  My father believes he was married twice and that his first wife had died as no. 2 was said to be an 'excellent mother to the children of both marriages'.  JJH's grandfather was another John and he too was an innkeeper in Ave Maria Lane (have that scroll too) and his dates were: 25 Jun 1731 - Jan 1764.  Before him was Christopher who seems to have been a farmer (a Yeoman farmer owning his own land) in Coniston Cold in Yorkshire - more investigation required.  The first John was therefore a younger son who had to move elsewhere as the farm would have gone to the eldest.  Christopher was born in Sept 1685.  His wife was Elizabeth and they had 9 children of whom John was the youngest (with 5 elder brothers! and a three sisters).    Would a Gedcom be any use to you?  I should now be able to use a Personal message according to the moderator.