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Re: Michael Dolan was from Arm, Ballinapark, Castlerea
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 17 July 16 12:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks again Sinann,
I will certainly obtain copies of all the Dolan children, but will wait till I have the record numbers to them all, just in case some of them are not the correct ones.
Many thanks again for your help and for providing me with the vital links.

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Re: Michael Dolan was from Arm, Ballinapark, Castlerea
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 17 July 16 16:23 BST (UK) »
Your choice of course but I can't see the need to purchase them all.
If you pick out the most likely births to suit the 1901 Census (which seems to be the more correct of the two) and specify that you only what the certs if the parents are Michael Dolan and Mary (Anne) Brown, than you won't waste money.
The staff in the GRO are generally very accommodating.

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Re: Michael Dolan was from Arm, Ballinapark, Castlerea
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 17 July 16 16:28 BST (UK) »
That sounds good,
I did not know you could specify your choice if the parents are matching your needs.

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Re: Michael Dolan was from Arm, Ballinapark, Castlerea
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 17 July 16 16:48 BST (UK) »
That sounds good,
I did not know you could specify your choice if the parents are matching your needs.

Technically speaking you can't but I've always found the GRO staff to be very helpful, but I wouldn't just order a load and let them sift through them for you, that could annoy them and they could just charge you for them all, correct or not, make the effort and all going well you will have them correct anyway.


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Re: Michael Dolan was from Arm, Ballinapark, Castlerea
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 17 July 16 17:09 BST (UK) »
Or you could take out a sub with RootsIreland, they have a 24 hour sub and they may have the baptism records.
http://www.rootsireland.ie/

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Re: Michael Dolan was from Arm, Ballinapark, Castlerea
« Reply #14 on: Monday 18 July 16 12:40 BST (UK) »
Michael DOLAN aged 26; of Kilkeevan; father Peter
married Kilmurry Church on Jun 10 1880 - LINK to civil reference
Mary Anne BROWN aged 24; of Brownhill; father Patrick

This means your information
If this is true, her date of birth would have been 1863 and in matching dates, I found an entry which I hope to be her. She was christened on on the 14th June.
Her father’s name was Edward Brown.
Her mother was Ellen Kennedy.
She was christened at: Catholic Parish: Kiltoom & Cam, Civil Parish: Kiltoom, Catholic Diocese: Elphin. The Sponsors were Thomas Kennedy and Ellen O’Neill
And a further search of her parents gave me a listing for:
Edward Brown and Ellen Kennedy were married  on 18/9/1858
Catholic Parish: Kiltoom & Cam, Civil Parish: Kiltoom, Catholic Diocese: Elphin.

is incorrect

A more plausible date of birth is in this baptism on Mar 22 1857 in Ballinlough
Father Patrick BROWN Mother Mary ROYAN Sponsors Michael ROYAN & Elizabeth ROYAN

ROYAN could be a literal/phonetic spelling and be RUANE in other records
I don't see a marriage in Roscommon but in Balla RC Mayo on Nov 7 1843
Patrick BROWN married Mary RUANE - LINK


Ages in old records are unreliable due to literacy, memory and honesty! I would err on the side that her age at marriage would be more accurate than at death.

This is a plausible DoB for Michael DOLAN based on a baptism in Castlerea on Sep 28 1851
Father Peter DOLAN; Mother Brigid CAVENNY; Sponsors John DONLAN & Mary ABBOT

Peter DOLAN m Brigid KAVENY Mar 02 1840 - LINK
Witnesses Michael SWINEY & Brigid DOLAN
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Michael Dolan was from Arm, Ballinapark, Castlerea
« Reply #15 on: Monday 18 July 16 13:08 BST (UK) »
Children listed below
noting again discrepancies in dates of civil registration and baptisms

I am looking at transcriptions and see that
Michael is baptised as Michael Joseph but within a couple of days there is a James also
However there is no birth of a James and the sponsors are the same names
I think that this is an error but unfortunately the online microfilm records for the parish are only until 1880

I also believe that Emma was registered as Mary and also baptised Mary
Michael and Martha's baptismal sponsors included an Emma Mary
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Michael Dolan was from Arm, Ballinapark, Castlerea
« Reply #16 on: Monday 18 July 16 15:49 BST (UK) »
The 1911 census form listed 11 children born, 10 survived. Maybe James died as an infant.

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Re: Michael Dolan was from Arm, Ballinapark, Castlerea
« Reply #17 on: Monday 18 July 16 16:01 BST (UK) »
that's what I wondered - maybe Michael was a twin and as there was a cost to registering births and deaths perhaps if James died within a few days they didn't register him at all possibly
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder