Lutus -Lithuania-

[brandons66]

Hello everyone, first time posting here! I was hoping to maybe get some information from people on here, considering the Lithuanian board onAncestry is empty.

Here is my problem, I know the names of the great great grandfather and grandmother. Anton Lutus and Anna Koverita. They were married in Lithuania in the late 1890's. However, I found some discrepancies when comparing my grandparents birth location to that of other records. Some records stated they were born in Poland, others Russia. That feel like a pretty big geographical gap for census reporters to mess up on.

I was curious if anyone knows of any good websites to find more about my grandparents and their families? As of right now, I have US census information, Immigration information, and naturalization information, but none of that lists their parents, siblings, or place of birth.

Thank you

-Brandon

[garstonite]

Hiya Brandon and welcome to Rootschat
is it Anton or Antoin ??

Antoin Lutus b 1873 - went to live in Suffolk ,Massachussetts ,USA - died 1940

is this the man you have in your tree ?? if so in the familytree I found he is down as Antoin

ADDED I presume you have seen these

ANNA LUTUS   (FEMALE)
BIRTH: 1881
BIRTH PLACE: Lithuania
COUNTY: Suffolk
RESIDENCE: 1161 Dorchester Avenue
Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts
................................................................................................

ANTOIN LUTUS   (MALE)
BIRTH: 1873
BIRTH PLACE: Lithuania
COUNTY: Suffolk
RESIDENCE: 1161 Dorchester Avenue
Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts

www.geneanet.org 

[brandons66]

I believe it is Anton. I have a 1940 census record that put my grandfather's name down as Antoin. The census records before that all put his name down as Anton, so I am assuming that it was an error on the individuals part who was doing the census records in his neighborhood. Everything else, including the address, spouse, occupation, and people living in the house at the time for the census between 1910-40 are all correct, except for the 1940 census with his name.

In addition, he did live in Suffolk Massachusetts, considering that is where his home was located in the 1910-1940 census. However, I did just notice some discrepancies on the 1920, 30, and 40's census records. They all have different year dates for when my grandfather arrived in America. One reads in 1899 (1920), another 1910 (1930), and lastly 1901 (1940). they all also have different ways of spelling Anton. Other than that, the address and spouse/children information stayed the same.

Lastly, his last name may have changed to Lutus once he came to America. I need to find the record that shows an alternative for his last name. Once I do, I will update my post.

EDIT: Yes I have seen those! Those addresses and birth years match the census records from 1920, 30, and 40s.

EDIT #2: I found the other spelling for my Grandfather's name. (Antoni Lukazas)

[garstonite]

I would tread carefully because although the name is Lutus - Lithuania - there seems to be quite a few Alutius from Lithuania - which asks the question upon entering USA could Antoin have been misheard - could he have actually have been Alutius .....not trying to confuse you - it is just the research shows
Tony Alutius b 1873 Lithuania   Tony presumably is the Anglicised version of Antoin
Antoin Lutus b 1873 Lithuania

2 seperate people , but just be careful you don't get them mixed up 

[brandons66]

Thank you for your reply and help! 

I will look at the two census records that state Anton and Antoin, and see if they are the same person.

[brandons66]

I do also have a photo of my Great Great Grandfather and Mother. I posted about it in the photo section of this forum, but I will post it here for you and anyone else.


EDIT:: I re-looked at the 1920, 30, and 40 census records. I thought they might be for different people, but now I am pretty sure they are for the same man. His name was spelled differently in each. In 1920 it was spelled, Anthony Lutus. In 1930 it was spelled, Antone Lutus, and in 1940 it was spelled like, Antoin Lutus. I checked the census for 1930 and 40, and the one from 1930 said he lived in Arlington in 1935. When I checked the 1930 census, his address is listed in Arlington. The 1920 census have his kids in it also, same with the 1930.

I feel pretty confident, at the moment, that this is the correct person.

[aghadowey]

As of right now, I have US census information, Immigration information, and naturalization information, but none of that lists their parents, siblings, or place of birth.
You've put slightly different detail on the other thread you've also started today board-

... I do not know, definitely, where they were born. One member, on Ancestry, listed that they were born in Poland. However, US census information plants them in Russia. Now I know there can be discrepancies from Census takers because we are all human after all. We are prone to making a mistake every now and again. With that being said, mixing up Poland and Russia seems like a pretty large mistake to make, even with the USSR not being dissolved during the time of the Census.
Alongside that, I do not know any information about their parents, siblings, or birthplace. I do have census records, immigration records, and a naturalization index.

There is a difference between naturalization index and naturalization record. The index merely refers to the record which will contain far more detail. Some things that would be in the record could include date and place of arrival as well as ship; birthdate and birthplace; name of spouse, children, marriage date, etc.

What 'immigration record' do you have? the passenger manifest for arrival in America should consist of 2 pages and list name and address of nearest relative in home country, physical description, contact in U.S. (often relative or friend from where they were born), etc.

They were married in Lithuania in the late 1890's. However, I found some discrepancies when comparing my grandparents birth location to that of other records. Some records stated they were born in Poland, others Russia. That feel like a pretty big geographical gap for census reporters to mess up on.
The answer is that at various times all of this was correct. Take a look at the history of Lithuania and you will see many changes over the years which explain chances in sovereignty. Briefly, in 14th century Lithuania formed a union with Poland, from 1795 came under Russia until 1918 and remained independent until it came under Russia again until the start of WWII.

[aghadowey]

Lots of Lithuanians in South Boston- this club formed 1899- http://sblca.org/

Church there also- http://www.stpeterlithuanianparish.org/parish_life.htm

For at least the first generation, settlers tend to stick together while they learn the language and customs of their new country. Such contact would have helped them find jobs and housing, given them a place to worship, speak their native tongue and possibly keep up with relatives and friends.

[aghadowey]

extracts from naturalization record-
Anton Lutus of 1161 Dorchester Ave.
born 25 Dec.1872 Kursenai, Lithuania
married 17 Nov.1901 in Boston to Anna (born 1879 Kursenai)
arrived New York March 1901 on "Augusta Victoria" from Liverpool, England under name of Antoni Lukazas

Now, you can look for the immigration record- www.ellisisland.org is one place. Based on the marriage record you should also search (N.Y. and Boston probably) for Anna's arrival.

Marriage for Antoni Lukszas & Annie Koverati gives his parents as Vincent Lukszas & Petroneli Pocati and her mother as Annie Koverati-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4C8-H54