Thomas Henry Keen 1819-1889

[kdsoph]

Hi There!
I am the GGG grand daughter of Thomas Henry Keen b. 1819 in Bishopsgate (i think) England.
I am not sure who his parents were but I have them listed as Thomas Keen 1790-? and Harriet Dalyress abt. 1804 - ? for the moment

I would love to know how and when he arrived in Australia, who his parents were and more about his life.

He married Frances Hennessy near Maitland and they lived in Moree.

Her Obit states that, In the early days Mr. Keen was a well known carrier and contractor in Sydney and it was said of him that he carted much of the salvage from the wreck of the Dunbar.

Can anyone steer me in the right direction please?

Thank you
KD

[Rosinish]

Hi KD,

When did he marry which would be an outside guide to his arrival?

Does the marriage not show any parentage?

Have you found them on any census & when was the last sighting of him?

Was he still alive or deceased on any of his children's marriages?

What year did Frances die as this would give an outside time frame of his death as it seems he predeceased her? I see it on the "Subject" 1889 

ADDED....Was there no obit for him, considering he seemed well known?

Do you know if he had siblings?

Annie

ADDED....What was his status, age & occupation on marriage?

[keyboard86]

Hi a Thomas Henry Keen with parents Thomas occ Labourer and Mother Harriet was baptised along with a sister Harriet Sophia b 1818 on 25th December 1819 Bethnal Green St Matthew?
Keyboard86

[Jamjar]

Was Thomas' death registered in Yass?

There are no NSW deaths for a Thomas Keen in 1889

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

If you feel the the obit for a Mrs H Keen is the one for wife of Thomas H Keen, then he is said to have died about 20 years before Frances.

The newspaper article is dated 1919. 1919-20 = 1899sh. There are only two death registrations to suite this time, in NSW. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i76/

KEEN  FRANCES 2825/1919 father James and mother Mary NARRABRI


KEEN  THOMAS H 14325/1892 mother Mary A YASS

KEEN  THOMAS 2938/1896 father Mathew mother Mary MUDGEE

Note that there is a Henry Keen death in Moree in 1890:

KEEN  HENRY 8202/1890 parents unknown, Moree.

Jamjar

Added: an online site listing NSW inquests has the following for Henry:

KEEN Henry 1889 70   ? Near Moree Fatty degeneration of the heart. The question mark is where the place of birth should be. 

[keyboard86]

Hi in addition the Thomas Keen to Harriet Dalyrass was 31st January 1824 Farnham, if above Thomas H is a possible then a Thomas Keen married a Harriot Portlock 6th April 1817 St Matthew, Bethnal Green
Keyboard86

[kdsoph]

Hi there
Thank you both so much!

Keyboard86

Thomas Henry Keen with parents Thomas occ Labourer and Mother Harriet was baptised along with a sister Harriet Sophia b 1818 on 25th December 1819 Bethnal Green St Matthew?
Keyboard86

This is the record I have but I am not sure this is my family. I have this from other family trees but with no evidence to back it up. I thought if I could find his arrival or something from his marriage

Hi KD,

When did he marry which would be an outside guide to his arrival? - 27 Mach 1854 supposedly

Does the marriage not show any parentage? - I can't find a marriage listed BDM

Have you found them on any census & when was the last sighting of him? - Nope to the census. Australians aren't good at those 

The first real sighting of him is in 1853 where I have a baptism for his first born Caroline Emily Keen birth 4th July 1853 Baptised Catholic 12 Feb 1855. This has thrown me as the Thomas Henry Keen born to Harriet and Thomas above was Anglican. Not a likely mix for the times in Australia.
They lived in George St in the Parish of St James in the County of Cumberland in 1855 according to the child's Baptism papers. Caroline died in 1864 during the Maitland floods of Rheumatic Fever and his occupation is listed as Carrier.


Was he still alive or deceased on any of his children's marriages? - I am struggling to find marriages for the children. I have his daughter, Louisa Ann Keen's marriage cert but the columns for the parents is blank.


What year did Frances die as this would give an outside time frame of his death as it seems he predeceased her? I see it on the "Subject" 1889  Frances Outlived her husband. She died in 1919 in Narrabri.

ADDED....Was there no obit for him, considering he seemed well known?
I have searched Trove but can't pin point him. I don't know now if his name was Thomas Henry or just Henry. I have searched on both but nothing conclusive. Someone mentions he was also known as Harry but i think that was his eldest son.

Do you know if he had siblings? - no only the sister mentioned above.

Annie

ADDED....What was his status, age & occupation on marriage? -

- If the marriage date I have is correct he was 34 when he married. he already had a daughter with Frances. 


NB: I have no idea if I have formatted this message nicely. I have been trying to answer you using the quotes for the first time so it may look mighty ugly. Sorry I will try again if it looks too bad.

Thank you again
KD

[Rosinish]

Hi KD,

Reply is super, thanks & has answered a few questions 

I will check passengers tomorrow.

Can you give us the children's names in order of eldest down to youngest please as this can sometimes help with parentage.

Annie

ADDED..Do you know where Frances was born?

[Jamjar]

Hi KD,

Reply is super, thanks & has answered a few questions 

I will check passengers tomorrow.

Can you give us the children's names in order of eldest down to youngest please as this can sometimes help with parentage.

Annie

ADDED..Do you know where Frances was born?

Rosinish, you may find NSWBDM a useful site. You find the children on pages 2 and 3 if you search for Keen only, 1850-1870 and sort by mother's name.

https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?43