How can I find Catherine Lloyd's maiden name?

[wilcoxon]

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=534241.0

 I thought these names rang a bell.

[amberly]

Hi Wilcoxon, I knew I knew your name too but had forgotten you had looked up Samuels for me before.  I've done lots more but recently had my DNA done & have found a DNA rellie from B C & we're supposed to be 4th cousins & her Langford family also came from Treuddyn where my Griffiths family came from, however she's never done a FT & so is no help in suggesting how we may be related.  So I've gone through my tree one generation at a time & realize it could be through Catherine but don't know who she was when she married a Lloyd.    It's been very time consuming & I'm just about to give up because I'm at a loss as to who Catherine was.
Thanks very much once again for your help.     Amberly

[despair]

Without knowing whether there were strict naming conventions adhered to at the time,I did wonder whether she may have re-married under her maiden name.There is a baptism of a Cath Lloyd with father "Edd" in 1757 in Halkyn  and possible first marriages in 1776 and 1778,with a simliar variant(?) spelling to 1793 i.e. Catharine.Unfortunately,I can't find a death for such a first husband that would fit.

Regards
Roger

[groom]

If she was a widow, she would have married under that name, not her maiden name.

[amberly]

Hi Groom,
She did marry under her married name.     It's her maiden name I'm trying to find!!!!!   Amberly

[amberly]

Thanks Roger, I shall look at those too, however I don't believe there were strict laws as I have other rellies who married more than 2 even & their previous married names were always the ones used when they remarried.     One took me a long time to find as I hadn't realized she'd married 2 before, anyway I sorted it out in the end. 
 
I have however finally found a Richard Lloyd who married a Catherine Bradshaw in 1782 in Bagillt, both of the parish of Holywell with a witness named Robert Lloyd.    Then I found possible parents named Robert & Mary from Caerfall which is near Cilcain/Northrop who had 2 sons named Richard b 1758 & Robert b 1755, as I'd wondered if Robert, the witness, could have been Richard's brother???
This could work, but now I can't find a Catherine Bradshaw.   

Who said this FT research was easy???   Thanks for your interest & input Roger.      Amberly.

[LizzieL]

have you found baptisms of all the children mentioned in Richard Samuel's will? Could any of them be his step children? i.e Catherine and Mr Lloyd's children.
As far as I can make out in the will they are John, Margaret, Ann, William mentioned first in that order - order of age perhaps? Then Maria and Barbara come later.

[LizzieL]

There is a Margaret Lloyd baptised in Halkyn on 25 jan 1776 d/o Humph and Cath Lloyd. The register has the names in heavier ink and possibly a different hand as if they've been corrected later and there wasn't enough space to write the full names. I can't find any other children born to this couple, at least not in Halkyn. There is a burial for a Humphry Lloyd in Halkyn on 05 Mar 1779, but no age mentioned. I can't find a marriage for a Humphrey and Catherine though.

[amberly]

Hi again,   Yes all those children were his from his 1st wife Mary Joseph & then the last 2 from CL.   I've done all that & found who they married & where they died.    None of them were Lloyds.   Margaret was from his 1st wife.
Thanks for the idea & help.
Amberly