1891 census Relation to Head confusion

[mikebrunger]

Have confusion over two ancestors recorded as being Grandsons to Head but dates don't really compute.

William Brunger b.1834 in Boughton, Kent. Married Margaret Le Paye in Guernsey in 1874. They had 4 children. Of those, Walter Nicholas (b. 1876 in Guernsey) and Ernest William (b. 1877 in Cliffe - The Fort, Kent). In the 1891 census they are both residing in St.Pancras and are recorded as Grandsons to the Head. The Head is Elizabeth Brunger aged 64 so born around 1827. My confusion is that she is too young to be a Grandmother as the boys' father was born in 1834. Also, the baptism record for their father William shows Father is James and Mother is Susan, not Elizabeth. Surname is transcribed as Brungar.

Link to 1891 census http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1891&h=7713714&indiv=try

RG12/122/105 p 18

Is this a big mistake or am I missing something really obvious. Any guidance would be appreciated.

[groom]

Could she be James's second wife and therefore their step grandmother?

[3sillydogs]

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but on the census image :

Elizabeth age            64   birth +/- 1827 which you have
William   son age       26  birth +/-  1865
Walter  grandson age 15  birth +/-  1876
Ernest  grandson age 14  birth  +/-  1877

Which would have made Elizabeth around 50 when Ernest was born, and 49 when Walter was born, so quite probable to be their grandmother. 

[JenB]

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but on the census image :

Elizabeth age            64   birth +/- 1827 which you have
William   son age       26  birth +/-  1865
Walter  grandson age 15  birth +/-  1876
Ernest  grandson age 14  birth  +/-  1877

Which would have made Elizabeth around 50 when Ernest was born, and 49 when Walter was born, so quite probable to be their grandmother. 

The point Mike is making is that if you go back to find the two boys Walter and Ernest in the 1881 census, you'll see that at that time their father was 44 years old. Which means that he was born 1837, when Elizabeth was only 10 years old 

[groom]

Who is the William on that census, he can't be the father of the boys as he is too young?

[mikebrunger]

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but on the census image :

Elizabeth age            64   birth +/- 1827 which you have
William   son age       26  birth +/-  1865
Walter  grandson age 15  birth +/-  1876
Ernest  grandson age 14  birth  +/-  1877

Which would have made Elizabeth around 50 when Ernest was born, and 49 when Walter was born, so quite probable to be their grandmother. 

The point Mike is making is that if you go back to find the two boys Walter and Ernest in the 1881 census, you'll see that at that time their father was 44 years old. Which means that he was born 1837, when Elizabeth was only 10 years old 

Thank you.I was just typing out that fact when your reply came in :-)

[mikebrunger]

Who is the William on that census, he can't be the father of the boys as he is too young?

That William I am assuming is Elizabeth's son who was born in India. Not their father. Just a coincidence.

[groom]

Who is the William on that census, he can't be the father of the boys as he is too young?

That William I am assuming is Elizabeth's son who was born in India. Not their father. Just a coincidence.

So wouldn't that make her James's second wife as I suggested earlier?

[mikebrunger]

Who is the William on that census, he can't be the father of the boys as he is too young?

That William I am assuming is Elizabeth's son who was born in India. Not their father. Just a coincidence.

So wouldn't that make her James's second wife as I suggested earlier?

Don't think so as James died in 1846 in Boughton-under-Blean, Kent. His wife Susan is seen in 1851 census as Widowed and living with her daughter Olive.