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OLD CROSS KEYS HOTEL & Public House UK LOCATION help, please
« on: Saturday 10 September 16 08:55 BST (UK) »
Hello!

Any ideas please as to the location of the

OLD CROSS KEYS HOTEL

Day out for the men!

With thanks~001uk
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Re: OLD CROSS KEYS HOTEL & Public House UK LOCATION help, please
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 September 16 21:29 BST (UK) »
I am  still looking for this one, but thought I would bump it up the page for you.. It's a difficult one to know what area to look for this, it looks a bit industrial, on a steep hill, but the sign seems to indicate it is a cycling area and it caters for picnic parties. I gather from this it is in a beauty spot?
I will keep looking.
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Re: OLD CROSS KEYS HOTEL & Public House UK LOCATION help, please
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 September 16 17:51 BST (UK) »
I wondered if the partly hidden name of the licensee was Woolley.
Googled "Cross Keys" and Woolley, and found a Chester Trade Directly with "Old Cross Keys" with a W.H. Woolley.

Think this is the pub, but the original photo is a reverse image.
The bay windows have gone, as have the iron railings at the front - but still some at the side.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01igj/

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Re: OLD CROSS KEYS HOTEL & Public House UK LOCATION help, please
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 September 16 18:22 BST (UK) »
It does look a close fit, but the door in the original doesn't seem to be in the same place as the one on your link. Unless I am missing something :-) 


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Re: OLD CROSS KEYS HOTEL & Public House UK LOCATION help, please
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 September 16 18:46 BST (UK) »
There's a brick bay window on the original photo which isn't on the recent pic too.
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« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 September 16 18:49 BST (UK) »
The chap at the front looks like a dignitary, with his top hot.

I can see some sort of chain/fob/dangly bit across the front of the chest of many of the men, and many of them are wearing small posies or similar as buttonholes.

I'm guessing these men were in an organisation of some sort rather than being simply a group of friends or workmates.
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Re: OLD CROSS KEYS HOTEL & Public House UK LOCATION help, please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 September 16 19:18 BST (UK) »
Great detective work Yorkslass, I am sure you have found the correct place, but it has undergone some drastic rebuilding. As Annie states, the door has changed position, probably when they removed the bay.
On the original photo the door is on the side where the railings still are, which is where the men are posing. The original stone arch with the cross key carving has been re sited round the corner when the doorway was changed. There doesn't appear to be any sign of altered brick work, so a very good job was done.
I have searched on line for details of alterations but can find very little information, it was a Boddingtons pub at one time so maybe the alterations took place after it changed hands.
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Re: OLD CROSS KEYS HOTEL & Public House UK LOCATION help, please
« Reply #7 on: Monday 12 September 16 19:24 BST (UK) »
Well done Yorkslass!  Excellent detective work

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Re: OLD CROSS KEYS HOTEL & Public House UK LOCATION help, please
« Reply #8 on: Monday 12 September 16 19:32 BST (UK) »
Well done Yorkslass  ;D

There is mention here of the front entrance at one time being on Lower Bridge street

"Its entrance was just a few yards up Duke Street on the right hand side. This was the side entrance of the pub, its front entrance being on Lower Bridge Street."

http://www.chesterwalls.info/oldpubs3.html
Scroll down to Duke Street.

If you look on Google Maps, the brickwork where the old front entrance and the bay window were has slightly fresher looking brickwork - they did a good job though.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01igk/

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