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John Christopher Surmon.
« on: Tuesday 13 September 16 02:47 BST (UK) »
Good-morning, I need some help with John Christopher Surmon. b 23-Dec-1816 Aldersgate U.K.
d 21-Dec-1869 London. Parents Henry Surmon 1787-1869 and Ann Margaret Sadler 1791-1856.
First marriage to Maria Saner 24-Sep-1840 Camberwell St Giles. I have them on an 1851 roll in the U.K.
They arrived in Victoria on the Gloriana in Dec 1852. I think Maria died in Australia in 1857.
The next time I see J.C Surmon is a possible marriage to Mary Ann Murrell in 1860 in the U.K.
They then had two sons and two daughters all born in England. The first born 1861 and the last born in 1866. J.C.Surmon was apparently a veterinary surgeon like his father.
I can't find any other information about them and would love to learn more about him and his second wife Mary Ann Murrell.
Thank-you for any help.
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Re: John Christopher Surmon.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 07:05 BST (UK) »
There is this couple who match the details in 1861  living at Alma Road, Edmonton, Middlesex

John C Surmon    42 Veterinary Surgeon Middlesex
Mary Ann Surmon 24 34 Tiverton, Devon

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Added - there is a marriage in Sept Qtr 1860  Kensington  1a   89 of a John Christopher Surman but possibly to a Mary Ann but her surname was Conner??


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Re: John Christopher Surmon.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 07:33 BST (UK) »
There is a baptism of a Albert Surmon  on 12 Jul 1862 at Weld Chapel,Enfield with parents John Christopher and Mary Ann Surmon

In 1871 Albert appears to be living with grandparents William and Mary Morrell in Tiverton Devon  and in 1851 a married daughter Mary Ann Connor is living with the family  (just realised I have misread Mary's age in 1861 as 24 when it is 34 -will correct it)

William Morrell    47  Tailot Employing 8 men and 2 boys b Tiverton
Mary Morrell    45 b Tiverton
Mary Ann Connor 24  Married and Visitor b Tiverton
Caroline Morrell    22
William Morrell    20
Sophia Morrell    15
Samuel Henry Morrell    14
Sarah Ann Morrell 11
Francis W Connor 3 Grandson b London
John William Connor 1  Grandson b Tiverton
Peter Hughes    17

In 1861 grandson John William Connor is still living with his grandparents

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Re: John Christopher Surmon.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 07:50 BST (UK) »
This looks likes the first marriage of Mary Ann

Mary Ann Morrell to  Francis Connor - Draper  on 25 Nov 1849 at Parish Chapel, St Pancras
Both were of full age and address given was Metton Place
Bride's Father William Morrell   - Tailor
Grooms Father Michael Connor  - Deceased
One witness was a John Morrell

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In 1861  A Francis Conner age 24 b Liverpool and listed as married was living with a Linen Draper and working for them as a Linen Draper Shopman in Holborn


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Re: John Christopher Surmon.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 08:14 BST (UK) »
I think Maria died in Australia in 1857.

Maria SURMON died 16 Mar 1857 SYDNEY #293
Father: Adam S

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Re: John Christopher Surmon.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 08:16 BST (UK) »
1871 Living at John Street, Islington

Mary A Surmon 44 Staymaker Tiverton, Devon    
William H    Surmon  9 Southgate Middlesex    
Mary H Surmon 7  Winchmore Hill Middlesex
Annie Surmon 4 Islington   Middlesex
Sarah A Surmon?   Sister 31 Tiverton, Devon   Presumably surname should be Morrell

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Re: John Christopher Surmon.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 12:23 BST (UK) »
Thank-you for help so far. I wasn't aware that Mary Ann may have been married before. The only thing I can be sure of is that Mary Ann was living at John St Islington because that's where she was in the probate entry for John C Surmon.
Did Mary Ann have children with first husband, are they the grandchildren named as Francis W and John W ?
Albert Surmon is my g,grandfather.

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Re: John Christopher Surmon.
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 13:03 BST (UK) »
It seems to tie in well as the Mary Ann I posted was living at John St, Islington in 1871

She appears to have had two children with first husband as you say the two boys living with her and their grandparents in 1851

John Walter Conner (although listed as John William in 1851) b  Jun Qtr 1849 Tiverton &c 10   293   who is still with his grandparents in 1861 and working as a servant in St Pancras London in 1871  and marries a Jane Martin in 1874 in Poplar
Francis William Connor b March Qtr 1848 Islington 3 245  who might have died March Qtr 1852 Tiverton 5b 302

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Re: John Christopher Surmon.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 13:14 BST (UK) »
I notice that your couple were listed on the same fiche and page as another SURMON.  Is he a relative?

Unassisted Immigrants Arriving Victoria
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=23
SURMON    Albert George    19 years    Arrived Dec   1852    GLORIANA Port B 021/007    
SURMON    John Christopher    35 years   Arrived Dec   1852    GLORIANA    Port B 021/007    
SURMON    Maria    32 years    Arrived Dec   1852    GLORIANA Port B 021/007

Index to Outward passengers...ages are not a match but with such an unusual surname I think it is them leaving Melbourne for Sydney.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=42
SURMON Mr  28 years    CITY OF SYDNEY II Apr   1855    to Sydney    1855/   001
SURMON Mrs 26 years    CITY OF SYDNEY II     Apr1855 to Sydney    1855/   001
   

Another relative in Victoria?

SURMON Edward Basnett.
Marriage 5 Sept 1853
Place St Andrews Brighton
Spouse ANDREWES Marianne
Witnesses, SURMON John C, SURMON Marian
St Andrew's Church of England Brighton - marriage register 1849-1858.

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