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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 11:26 BST (UK) »
Yes,    I think they did alright this family!  Even the fact that she lives as an annuitant suggests money doesn't it?

 Her daughter Frances was in Australia with her LARGE family.  I haven't traced the sidelines, so don't know yet what the others were doing.

I don't know anything about Frances Stevens before her marriage -  not parents or siblings.

In 1841 she was recorded as independent and also had a servant in the household, but no family members.

She could sign her name on her marriage certificate, looks a competent signature not the childlike sort specially practiced for the occasion. She signed as Fanny not Frances. There were four witnesses, Susanna Wilkins, Samuel Hill, Jane Green (poss MIL) and William Green (relative of Isaac?) - in that order if significant.


 
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 11:28 BST (UK) »
Hi

Isaac Green seems to have owned Essendon Mill [ Freehold ] source = 1832 voters register

£££££

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 11:36 BST (UK) »
His will is on Ancestry, he was the miller and also seems to have owned other property.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 12:30 BST (UK) »
 I have her marriage record.       I suspect Jane Green was Isaac's mother, and William  his brother.
I don't know the other two.

When Frances and her family came to Australia, we think they helped in paying for the ship to bring them - a cousin found some evidence that they had 'bottomed' the voyage.   It sounds as if FiL might have assisted, as Matthias Gaunt, Frances' husband, was a younger son and a Dr, so not 'in the money'.  (In those days)

Richard Green, seemed to have enough money to set himself up in Australia, so maybe father set him up too.   He and his BiL set up in business together over here and they had a flour mill here amongst other investments.

However, these are things we know!!   Interesting family!

But we don't know about Frances Stevens!       :-\ ;D  ;D   ;D

I have my part of the family well and truly pegged after Frances' marriage to Issac. It is BEFORE that is the mystery!

Thank you all for what you have turned up.   :)

Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 12:34 BST (UK) »
When to Frances jnr and Richard go to Australia?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 12:43 BST (UK) »
August, 1830. -on the Eliza, Arriving May 1831.

And I have just remembered . . . Her sister Martha also came, with her husband, (Hawkes) and started a school in Launceston, Tasmania.  They may have come later.

So only the twins were not here .  . unless they also came but I have missed them. (I have not searched for them at all.)



I will try some horizontal thinking and see if some brilliant thought comes to me.   ;)
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 13:00 BST (UK) »
Just had one thought  . . think I will try to get Isaac's Will.

- I am now practised at obtaining Wills in Yorkshire, but to whom should I apply to get one for Hertfordshire?

Back in the morning . . . .
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 13:03 BST (UK) »
Abraham and John stayed in Essendon, they appear on 1841 and 1851 censuses as millers. Isaac made his will in 1835 and died in 1837. Maybe all the children who went to Australia got settlements earlier and 1835 was when the last one went, necessitating Isaac to draw up a new will, dividing what he had left between the two sons who remained in England and also ensuring provision for his wife.

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 14:07 BST (UK) »
Re Isaac's will it was proved at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury and can therefore be accessed through Ancestry or you could  download it for a fee (£3.45 in the UK)  from the National Archives.

Having read it he names wife Frances and, of his children, Abraham and John who were his executors. Amongst other directions he instructs them to invest £1,000 in parliamentary stocks and shares -the interest to go to Frances during her lifetime. She seems to have been well provided for.

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