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Re: Robert Glass, Linen Merchant, Lurgan, Portadown & Belfast
« Reply #9 on: Monday 26 September 16 22:38 BST (UK) »
Children of Robert Glass & Sarah Jane Brown-
marriage (1867)- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG8Q-79C

- Sarah Glass (1868-died before 1874) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5CS-ZW5
- Robert Glass (1869) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPY4-VS4
- Maria Lambert Matier Glass (1871 Armagh-1952), unmarried
     https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPRJ-X2Z
- Helen Glass (1872) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5JS-V51
- Sarah Glass (1874) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5JM-QZR
- Henry Glass (1875) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGFM-9MN
- James Glass (1879) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJ8-KXP
- William Glass (1880) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJ1-JV3
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Re: Robert Glass, Linen Merchant, Lurgan, Portadown & Belfast
« Reply #10 on: Monday 26 September 16 23:00 BST (UK) »
Oh gosh,
For someone that is so distant, you have access to some amazing information. Thank you.

Undoubtedly, we are on the same wavelength as regards the same Glass family.
My struggle is to find someone in the 21st century that is descended from any of those siblings, and a bonus would be to find someone alive that can confirm any involvement with Henry Matier Glass and / or his siblings.

I have traced his 2 daughters to South Africa where they died, both childless. But unfortunately, I have failed to find a living descendant in Ireland at present.

So that is my current dilemma !!

Michael.

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Re: Robert Glass, Linen Merchant, Lurgan, Portadown & Belfast
« Reply #11 on: Monday 26 September 16 23:25 BST (UK) »
Some information will have to wait until I get back to Northern Ireland unless others post details but there was a Henry Matier linen merchant in Belfast at an earlier date- this example is apparently only a few miles from where I am at he moment-
http://travelphotobase.com/v/USCT/CTKWH875.HTM

http://www.dia.ie/works/view/49824/building/CO.+ANTRIM%2C+BELFAST%2C+ADELAIDE+STREET%2C+HENRY+MATIER+%26+CO.

The Will of Henry Matier late of Dunlambert Fortwilliam Park Belfast Merchant who died 10 March 1891 at same place was proved at Belfast by George Smith Clark of Fortwilliam Park Belfast Shipbuilder one of the Executors.

Will (21 pages!) mentions daughter Maria Louisa Sinclair wife of Sidney Edgar Sinclair, daughter Edith Lambert Matier, etc. (just skimmed through the first few pages)
http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
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Re: Robert Glass, Linen Merchant, Lurgan, Portadown & Belfast
« Reply #12 on: Monday 26 September 16 23:42 BST (UK) »
Yes, there was a linen merchant in Belfast called Henry Matier. This caused me confusion in the beginning. But this man has Matier as his surname, while the man I am interested had Matier as his middle Christian name. Very confusing indeed. But we know from the dates of death that it is two different men. There may have been a business link between Henry's father (Robert) and Henry Matier as they were both in the linen trade around the same time. So I discounted the man with the surname Matier, who died in 1891, from my research. .

It is indeed interesting you found the similar links !!

Michael.

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Re: Robert Glass, Linen Merchant, Lurgan, Portadown & Belfast
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 27 September 16 02:23 BST (UK) »
I didn't read all 21 pages of Henry Matier's Will but several children were mentioned in the first 5 or so pages including those I mentioned-
Maria Louisa Sinclair- remember the Sinclair nephew in the Glass household in 1901 & the Glass daughter name Maria Lambert Matier Glass
Edith Lambert Matier

The families were in the same business and the same names being used more than once makes me think that there is very possibly a family connecion. At the very least it looks likely that Henry Matier Glass was named after Henry Matier.

https://libwww.freelibrary.org/digital/item/c030386

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_George_Clark,_1st_Baronet
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Re: Robert Glass, Linen Merchant, Lurgan, Portadown & Belfast
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 27 September 16 02:45 BST (UK) »
Yes, you are correct and I believe that Robert's son was named after the linen merchant Henry Matier. Quite possibly a relation Frances Matier married George Clark who established Workman Clark. Young Henry served his apprenticeship as a naval architect with Workman Clark.

I have a reasonable amount of information about that period. Where I have come a cropper is trying to bring those lines to the present time to find a living relative belonging to the Glass family.

Would you perhaps have any suggestions how I can trace a descendant of the Robert Glass family that may be living in Northern Ireland please ?

Thank you
Michael.

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Re: Robert Glass, Linen Merchant, Lurgan, Portadown & Belfast
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 27 September 16 02:59 BST (UK) »
From reading that lot it looks as though a female Matier married a male Glass?

Annie

ADDED,

I should have explained. Middle names usually point to maiden names of female parents/grandparents (can be either side/line too) although not always.
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

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Re: Robert Glass, Linen Merchant, Lurgan, Portadown & Belfast
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 27 September 16 03:19 BST (UK) »
Hello Rosinish,

Thank you for your interest in this topic. I appreciate your assistance.

Could you suggest how I could possibly link the children of Robert Glass to someone that is alive in Northern Ireland at the present. Aghadowey has very kindly listed them in reply at time 22.38 please ?

I was hoping perhaps that someone on RootsChat may have done a family tree about this interesting family ?

Kind regards
Michael.

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Re: Robert Glass, Linen Merchant, Lurgan, Portadown & Belfast
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 27 September 16 03:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Michael,

I think you would 1st need to find a marriage for a Matier & Glass?

The problem with Irish records is the same as England/Wales.

Here in Scotland we can reduce the possibilities for finding people as our more recent deaths can be searched by both married & maiden names as well as mother's maiden names.

I'm unsure how you would determine any offspring without finding marriages to begin with.

To find descendants (up-to-date) is far harder than finding ancestors.

You may be lucky & someone else researching the same family may come across your post which happens but not always as quick as we would like.

As long as you have plenty of info. with plenty of detail on here, it would be picked up on a "google" search.

Sorry I can't be more specific.

You may though, want to draw up a Timeline of events in order for what you know about Robert to make it easier to follow for anyone reading who may think there's a connection.

The more info. the more chance of people finding it.

Names (incl. maiden names)/Dates/Places are the 3 main attractions.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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