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Re: Vronvary: is this a house or a village?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 30 October 16 20:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, Mar! That shows clearly Ann Palfrey (or Palphrey) in a building to the north of the common and Richard Palffrey (the transcriber has introduced a spelling I hadn't considered) in a separate building. Which particular Richard it was will depend on the date of the map. This aligns with the census records (1861 I think) which lists a number of families in different dwellings all identified as 'Vronvary'.
In rereading Richard A's will, I find he refers to his "estate called Vronvary", and he bequeaths to his son Richard Palfrey (Richard B) "the aforesaid Messuage lands or tenement with all houses and outhouses and all appurtenances thereunto". In the list of assets is "the leasehold cottage called Vronvary".
So I guess both are true: Vronvary was the name of a house/cottage, but also the name of the estate on which a number of dwellings appeared. That answers my original question, whether all the people whose abode at their death was Vronvary were living in the same place. The answer is, some of them might have been, but there were several dwellings that might have been identified that way. Thanks, everyone.
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Re: Vronvary: is this a house or a village?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 30 October 16 20:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Liza
This tithe maps is early  - the date of receipt Nov 1839 is stamped in the top left hand corner

Mar  :)
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Re: Vronvary: is this a house or a village?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 30 October 16 21:11 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I've just found the date on the map. The Richard named on it is likely to be Richard B, as his father, (Richard A) died in 1807 and Richard C (a cousin of some kind who'd lived for a time at Coedgwgan hall) died in 1818. Richard D, who later lived at Vron Cottage, was in the Welsh fusileers from 1825-1847, so probably living with the regiment in 1839.
Thanks, again. It all becomes a bit clearer.
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Re: Vronvary: is this a house or a village?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 03 March 18 05:24 GMT (UK) »
Came across this reference to the Vron cottages from the memoirs of Thomas Palfrey (1885-1964), son of Thomas Palfrey & Harriet Price. The maternal legacy mentioned refers to Thomas' Grandmother Margaret Williams (1818-1888), wife of Thomas Palfrey (1814-1888).  Thomas wrote:

"Harriet L. Palfrey was a remarkable woman with Dad's maximum income of ₤250 managed to have her six children attend good schools.  My eldest sister Kathleen (Bonnie) and Elizabeth (Elsie) went to Ladies Collegiate School in Londonderry.  Elsie and Eileen (Birdie) finished their education in Brussels at a Convent School while the boys went to Sudbury, Abergavenny and Ellesmere schools.  Anything more was got by my dad selling his maternal legacy consisting of the Vron cottages and Hernog.  Part of the proceeds of this sale were used by Dad to take care of Elizabeth Hill, Mother's mother who died of dropsy at the age of 73 at our home in Ballingdon, Essex."

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Re: Vronvary: is this a house or a village?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 03 March 18 06:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi MSM
I have a copy of that memoir too. It was written by a relation of mine. Is it from a relation of yours? We may know each other. If not, we should. I'm in NZ.
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Re: Vronvary: is this a house or a village?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 04 March 18 04:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Liz ~ No, not a relation of mine, I'm helping a friend put together a family tree on Ancestry (Milne-Braden Family Tree).  The Palfreys are ancestors of her son through his father's line.  I'm enjoying delving into the Palfrey family history as I have some family roots in other parts of Wales.

Good to hear you have a copy of Thomas' memoirs and they are available to the family as this material tends to disappear once a family member passes.
Best wishes,
Scott

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Re: Vronvary: is this a house or a village?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 04 March 18 04:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Scott
Thanks, I know the connection now. Bill was my first cousin. I've done quite a bit of research on the Palfrey side, so may be able to add to your information. There are several of us among the cousins who are interested in this material.
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Liz

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Re: Vronvary: is this a house or a village?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 05 March 18 17:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Liz ~ here's my 3rd post so we can continue our discussion.
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Re: Vronvary: is this a house or a village?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 05 March 18 20:26 GMT (UK) »
Scott -- I have sent you a PM. Let me know if you don't get it.
Liz