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Payne STRINGER, Kent, England
« on: Tuesday 18 October 16 04:18 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
I have been trying to find the parents of an Ancestor name Payne/Pain Stringer from Kent who died in 1750. He was a Mariner in 1744 when he made a Will. He had a son named Payne/Pain Stringer who died in 1791 who married a lady named Mary and had 4 children. I have searched via England/Ireland for any birth record of the elder Payne/Pain with no luck and not sure if there is anywhere else I can go to.

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Re: PAYNE STRINGER, KENT ENGLAND
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 18 October 16 05:36 BST (UK) »
Hi there Barry, thanks I do have that info. Am looking for evidence of his Birth and therefore maybe his parents to continue researching where they came from. Not sure though whether he was actually born in England or overseas somewhere. Thought maybe someone may already have details for him in their own records. Can't find anything further on either ancestry or on Find my Past. Jeni

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Re: PAYNE STRINGER, KENT ENGLAND
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 18 October 16 06:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Jeni, welcome to Rootschat

This is bit out there, but I’m wondering if “Payne/Pain” can be equated with “Phineas”.

From Wikipedia, Payne: “... spelt in many forms including Pain, Payn, Payne, Paine, Paines, Paynes, Pagan, Pagon and Fitzpayn, is medieval English but of French and ultimately Roman origins. It derives from the pre 7th century personal name "Pagen", itself from the word "paien" and the earlier Latin "paganus".

And “Phineas” comes from the Egyptian “Panhsj”.

So, although etymologically different, there could have been a crossover in common usage.

From familysearch.org, there is a Phineas Stringer christened  8 December 1702 in Sibertswold (modern day Shepherdswell, I think), Kent, to John Stringer and Hester (no ms).

Then there is a Phinis Stringer christened 6 October 1730 in St Mary the Virgin, Dover, Kent to Phinis Stringer and Susannah (no ms). Probably the son of the previous one. There are a number of children christened to Phinis the first and Susannah, and to the second with wife Affra Rouse. The spelling varies between Phineas, Phinehas and Phinis. Some unusual names appear: Easter, Batchelor, Dilnut(!), Affra.

Or - a couple of death dates (1783 and 1801) don’t line up with 1791 - so perhaps Phineas was a just a rellie to the elusive Payne/Paine. (Bugger!) But you might see a pattern with the names in the families of Payne and Phineas, so I’ll post this anyway.

Cheers,
Peter
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Re: PAYNE STRINGER, KENT ENGLAND
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 18 October 16 10:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Peter, thanks very much for the info. The names are certainly "out there". I have thought that these people were related somehow but can't seem to match dates either. Very frustrating when the name is not common and you think that there should be a big chance to find them but I guess there would be a lot families that didn't have births registered and just wrote them in the family bible or on bits of paper. Such a shame but there, I guess I wait until Kent goes completely on-line with their records. I'm in Australia so can't follow up myself. I appreciate you taking the time to look into this. Jeni

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Re: PAYNE STRINGER, KENT ENGLAND
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 18 October 16 12:03 BST (UK) »
Marriage of Payne Stringer of Woolwich and Mary Savage at All Saints, Frindsbury, Kent, 2 July 1752

http://freereg2.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510b318e93790ccb6834285?search_id=580600f74325a6ef99fbaf97
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Re: PAYNE STRINGER, KENT ENGLAND
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 18 October 16 12:18 BST (UK) »
Many Thanks Shaun, I do have that info Cheers Jeni

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Re: PAYNE STRINGER, KENT ENGLAND
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 18 October 16 12:29 BST (UK) »
Have you got this mention of the younger Pain Stringer, a shipwright in Chatham Dockyard in January 1756? 

https://goo.gl/9OzXKQ
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Re: PAYNE STRINGER, KENT ENGLAND
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 18 October 16 12:34 BST (UK) »
Shaun, Wow - No I haven't, thankyou so much  :D