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Offline zumaro

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How to find Thomas Moody?
« on: Thursday 20 October 16 13:00 BST (UK) »
This looks to be really easy, but I am failing to find likely candidates in birth records and censuses for my great great grandfather Thomas Moody - I am thinking maybe there are sources that I don't know about, or I am missing the point in some way.

Basically Thomas Moody was born circa 1854/55 in Yorkshire, but he moved to New Zealand, before his marriage there in 1876. The family bible his wife Mary Ann Tomlyn annotated, lists his birth date as 1 April 1855, and lots of evidence suggests that he is born around then in Yorkshire. For example he is always listed on his children's' birth certificates as being a year younger than his wife, and she is definitely born on 30 July 1853, and ages given for the couple on various certificates etc support these birth years. In short if he is lying about his birth year he is consistent throughout his life.  Also two of the children's' birth certificates give his name as Thomas Mark Moody, but he never seems to use his middle name.

His death certificate states he was 88 at the time of his death in 1942, and that he was born in Goole, Yorkshire. However he had remarried at age 76, and his new wife would probably not have known about his life in as much detail. I would think that a place name like Goole is not going to be random - it must mean something in his life. 

Names of his children may give a clue to names in his family - there seems to be the conventional Victorian naming scheme going on maybe, but we have in order John Edwin, Etty Tomlyn, William Ernest, Arthur Thomas, Frederic Charles, Mary Elizabeth, Albert Henry, Lily Margaret, Thomas Henry, Eva May and Ethel Maud. First daughter Etty Tomlyn seems to pick up maternal grandmother's name Harriet Tomlyn (nee Darby), and second son seems to pick up maternal grandfathers name William. So maybe Thomas Moody's father was John or Edwin and his mother Mary or Elizabeth?

Thats as much as I know - I can't find any birth records that seem to fit these facts, and no census references either. Basically I need a Thomas Mark Moody born circa 1855 in Yorkshire, who is out of the country by the 1881 census. He may or may not be there for the 1871 census. How to proceed further than ancestry.com's records is the question!?
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Re: How to find Thomas Moody?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 20 October 16 15:11 BST (UK) »
Does his marriage not list a fathers name?  Sorry not familiar with what NZ records show.

Interestingly there is a Thomas Moody birth reg Goole but Sep 1850 which doesn't fit with your info  :-\
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Re: How to find Thomas Moody?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 20 October 16 15:17 BST (UK) »
There's this one on the 1871 Census - father John.

Thomas Moody
Age:   16
Estimated birth year:   abt 1855
Relation:   Son
Father's name:   John Moody
Mother's name:   Selina Moody
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:   Huddersfield
Ecclesiastical parish:   All Saints
Town:   Paddock
County/Island:   Yorkshire
Country:   England
Registration district:   Huddersfield
Sub-registration district:   Huddersfield
ED, institution, or vessel:   14
Household schedule number:   219
Piece:   4367
Folio:   25
Page Number:   43
Household Members:   Name   Age
John Moody
54
Selina Moody
53
Thomas Moody
16
Harry Moody
14
Emma Noble
35

Nottinghamshire: Billyard; Fletcher
Lincolnshire: Beck; Smith
Leicestershire: Goadby; Iliffe;
Warwickshire: Bradbury; Friswell; Gilliver; Beesley

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Re: How to find Thomas Moody?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 20 October 16 15:18 BST (UK) »
Is this him:

   Thomas Moody
Registration Year:   1850
Registration Quarter:   Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district:   Goole
Parishes for this Registration District:   View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County:   Yorkshire West Riding
Volume:   23
Page:   291

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CAPES Hull. KIRK  Leeds, Hull. JONES  Wales,  Lancashire. CARROLL Ireland, Lancashire, U.S.A. BROUGHTON Leicester, Goole, Hull BORRILL  Lincolnshire, Durham, Hull. GROOM  Wishbech, Hull. ANTHONY St. John's Nfld. BUCKNALL Lincolnshire, Hull. BUTT Harbour Grace, Newfoundland. PARSONS  Western Bay, Newfoundland. MONAGHAN  Ireland, U.S.A. PERRY Cheshire, Liverpool.
 
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Re: How to find Thomas Moody?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 20 October 16 15:20 BST (UK) »
Here's a family in 1851 right area Snaith and Cowick

John Moody 28
Elizabeth 34
George 4
Mark 2
Thomas 9 months

Might be a red herring but Thomas and a Mark plus John and Elizabeth in the mix
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Re: How to find Thomas Moody?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 20 October 16 15:27 BST (UK) »
The marriage is online (your tree?) and states he is of full age. 
Assuming that means over 21 the birth date doesn't fit with the marriage date as he would still have been only 20. 
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Re: How to find Thomas Moody?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 20 October 16 15:28 BST (UK) »
There the second one that ties in with Milliepede's Census of 1851:

   
Thomas Moody
England Births and Christenings
Name   Thomas Moody
Gender   Male
Christening Date   11 Apr 1852
Christening Place   YARM,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name   Thomas Moody
Mother's Name   Ann

and this:
   
Thomas Moody
England Births and Christenings
Name   Thomas Moody
Gender   Male
Christening Date   04 Aug 1850
Christening Place   SNAITH,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name   John Moody
Mother's Name   Elizabeth

Edited...not the Yarm one as they are on the 1901 census

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Re: How to find Thomas Moody?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 20 October 16 15:38 BST (UK) »
The passenger list on the tree has him already at 21 by 26 Jan 1874 so I think he is older than he looks.
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Re: How to find Thomas Moody?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 20 October 16 15:44 BST (UK) »
Just for info in case the right family

Baptism for Mark Moody 15 Oct 1848 Snaith has parents John Moody and Elizabeth Turton

Burial for Mark Turton Moody 19 Mar 1871 Cowick
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