Carnwath / Harkness family, Derry-Londonderry

[Ronnie Carnwath]

Hello

I am looking for information on the Carnwath family (my dad's side) and Harkness family (my mum's side). I have information on the Carnwath side going back to Andrew (b. 1836/36, d. 1900). He was my great-great grandfather - I don't know who he was married to, but his son, Hamilton (b. 1857) was my great grandfather. My grandfather was William James (b. 1898). My father was Edward Lynch (1927). As for the Harkness side, I have precious little information at present beyond my grandfather (James Harkness b. 1909). Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance,
Ronnie Carnwath

[Sinann]

I can't quite read it but this is James birth cert 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01624/1650321.pdf
Bottom of the page.

Mothers name transcribed as Hamilton
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/c360ea4800961

[Sinann]

Marriage of David Harkness and Jane Hamilton 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10344/5765928.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/8170757381320

You can have fun searching for more here, not all the records have images yet.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

[Sinann]

Harkness 1911 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Banagher/Teenaght/598094/
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Banagher/Temnagh/1527094/
And it has his mother.

Hang on there should be James, they say 5 children but only 4 listed.

[gaffy]

The following possibility doesn't fit with the reported age at death of Andrew Carnwath in 1900, but as that age could be inaccurate, I'm posting it just to note until you can rule it in or out.

I have seen a marriage on 19 October 1849 where the groom was transcribed as Andrew 'Cornwall' (father John Cornwall, a shoemaker) from Disertowen, Glendermott (Clondermot) who married Matilda Kelly of Curryfree, Glendermott (father Dennis Kelly, a labourer)  - the original marriage registration is available as 'pay to view' on GRONI online, though the 'irishgenealogy' website has undertaken to digitise it to view for free online in the foreseeable future. I can see one probable child to this couple post civil registration, an unnamed son born in 1864 in Ballougry, the father's surname is definitely Cornwath:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03606/2330089.pdf 

In addition, a Matilda Carnwath married a William McMorris in 1900, she was the eldest daughter of your Hamilton Carnwath and Margaret Glenn, so the naming convention potentially 'fits' back to Matilda Kelly:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10354/5769186.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02896/2061161.pdf

[aghadowey]

Welcome to Rootschat  There are lots of new online resources available in the last few years (many of them free) which should help you trace more of your family.

Probate of the Will of David Harkness late of Tenaght County Londonderry Farmer who died 21 April 1894 granted at Londonderry to David Montgomery Farmer. Effects £86. Date of Grant 8 September 1902.
Death (age 70)- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/015d3312109378

Harkness David of Teenaght Straidarran county Londonderry joiner died 31 December 1927 Probate Londonderry 27 April [1944] to James Montgomery farmer. Effects £44 15s. Effects £44 15s 0d.

? Harkness Jane of Fairview House Plumbridge county Tyrone widow died 6 April 1941 Administration Londonderry 1 February [1944] to Robert Ernest Harkness farmer. Effects £398 2s. 8d.

http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx

[aghadowey]

David's mother, Isabella Harkness, died 1903 age 70-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/eb637511202856

[gaffy]

Note this possibility, a David Harkness was born in 1871 to parents David Harkness (a farmer living in Teenaght) and Bell Smith:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03274/2199802.pdf

I can see several other children.

Edited to add: David Harkness (senior) married Isabella Smith in 1859 (not digitised yet, but due to be):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/8b82fe14701003

In the record I've seen, the marriage was on 13 December 1859 in Learmount Church of Ireland, David was from Teenaght, the son of a farmer transcribed as 'Montrey' Harkness, Isabella was from Straid, the daughter of Bartly Smith, a farmer (for a look at the original registration, GRONI online has it available on a 'pay to view' basis).

[gaffy]

Note this possibility, a David Harkness was born in 1871 to parents David Harkness (a farmer living in Teenaght) and Bell Smith:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03274/2199802.pdf

I can see several other children ...

... including ...

Anna Maria, 1864:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03596/2325884.pdf

Isabella, 1866:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03509/2290267.pdf

Mary Eliza, 1869:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03396/2245403.pdf

William, 1874:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03149/2154999.pdf