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Re: But ..what happened to the babies ...?
« Reply #18 on: Monday 24 October 16 22:19 BST (UK) »
The baby lottie farmed out and was her own may well have been Edith Roberts aged 10 in 1917 in north

pH en found an article about an abused step daughter in news paper

If Lottie registered this baby in her own name before farming her out.  There will be a 1906 birth certificate for Edith poss Liverpool depending where the couple were staying that month

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Re: But ..what happened to the babies ...?
« Reply #19 on: Monday 24 October 16 22:48 BST (UK) »
Bmac,

Please tell us where "north pH en" is  :-\

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Re: But ..what happened to the babies ...?
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 29 October 16 14:01 BST (UK) »
Sorry can't see very much today sorry


pH .....was a accident when I was trying to type place name

Its from memory I can't find where orig article is let alone read it


When I can get a friendly pair if eyes to come round and type and read for me I will promise

Thanks for all the help so far .
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Re: But ..what happened to the babies ...?
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 06 November 16 12:06 GMT (UK) »
The abuse case with little Edith was not in England it was an example sent to open sorry
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Re: But ..what happened to the babies ...?
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 24 December 16 23:53 GMT (UK) »
a young couple were taken to court for arranging adoptions throughout England in 1907

Some witnesses came forward and testified that the babies had been placed in good homes
Others under anonymity said they.d given their babies to be boarded by this respectable looking  couple not knowing that the child would be passed to another couple .

i.Ve read various articles about the case ...Babies were transported from Lincoln to St pancreas
St pancreas to Sheffield
Altrincham to Lincoln
Chester to Halifax

With the couple being based at Swansea in Nov 1906  . Bristol from march 1907 then Liverpool

I.m wondering if the adoptive couples would have been able to register the baby under their own names
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Re: But ..what happened to the babies ...?
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 24 December 16 23:56 GMT (UK) »
If the children were newborns requiring nursing then perhaps, but if it was an older baby they might not bother. I don't know if birth certificates were required for anything at that time but I would suspect not.

If the children were adopted at least they had better luck that some children, who would go into boarding, the people would accept the money for their care and then the poor little mites would be got rid of to make room for more children! Sadly that was a thing.

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Re: But ..what happened to the babies ...?
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 25 December 16 00:07 GMT (UK) »
The links to the articles are on this topic

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758108.msg6083495#msg6083495

It looks like they managed to transfer the babies quite quickly despite the distances and I.ve no idea if any of the children were removed from their adoptive families....There doesn't seem to be any follow up articles after the guilty verdict .

Lottie Roberts own baby was probably the first to be placed with a married couple
 the birthdate given in the article is 19th November 1906 ,Swansea Wales

Could this be the "prepossessing little girl" presented in court by a witness from Hammersmith..

Or the child taken to Ollerton whose adopter came to court to request that the case be dropped ??
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Re: But ..what happened to the babies ...?
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 25 December 16 00:16 GMT (UK) »
Yes they were newborns ....

Herbert Smith and Lottie Roberts went through a complicated process using false names they took money for boarding out the babies and in some cases paid a couple to take the child then stopped payment s .....People who.d taken the child in as a boarder could easily send it to a workhouse if payments stopped .

But it seemed like they mostly found childless couples .

If someone was doing DNA tests now they.d have no way of knowing these connections

I.m amazed the court found any of the single mothers to testify

They also had to prove that they hadn't killed a baby from Grimsby ....It turned up safe and well in Lincoln .
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Re: But ..what happened to the babies ...?
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 25 December 16 23:39 GMT (UK) »
They started off this enterprise when looking for a place to board out her own baby while on tour as entertainers

At first Mrs Phillips their landlady  in Swansea was paid 4 s a week to care for the child .

They also helped another unwed mother their friend .
 to obtain a job so she too could afford to pay for placement of her baby

Whether Herbert Smith and Lottie Roberts took money from her themselves is unclear but when they started doing it as a business they used aliases and postal address es

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