Identification of a Coat of Arms

[Secretary Middleton]

We are trying to identify the attached coat of arms and wondered if anyone could help please. It is taken from a salver dating from the 1770s.   We have looked through all the coats of arms in a copy of Burke's but could not find any to match either.

Additional information:  Salver made by Ebenezer Coker, London 1766/7

[relatedtoturnips]

We are trying to identify the attached coat of arms and wondered if anyone could help please. It is taken from a salver dating from the 1770s.   We have looked through all the coats of arms in a copy of Burke's but could not find any to match either.

Is there any other information on the salver. The maker of the salver, the area it comes from etc. It may help in a final answer.

Cheers.

[Skoosh]

Sec'y,  the engrailed cross looks like Sinclair, theirs is black n white. The hatching represents a particular colour. The other might be a variation of Cranstoun who also had lands in Midlothian. White cranes on a red ground.

Skoosh.

Sinclair,    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Sinclair

Cranstoun,  https://coadb.com/surnames/cranstoun-arms.html

[KGarrad]

Hatching, in heraldry, is a system of lines and dots used by engravers and printers to denote the tinctures (or colours) used.

Vertical lines usually indicate gules (red); dots usually indicate or (gold).

So the blazon for the left-hand side would be:
gules, a chevron ermine, between 3 storks

And, for the right-hand side:
or, a cross engrailed gules

[relatedtoturnips]

Well here is a start I suppose. I have a few reference books about Coats of arms, but I am certainly no expert, as its an area which needs a lot of experience.

The image attached mentions 3 Herons, and also Myddleton. Could this be anything related? I will look in my other books.

[KGarrad]

In a Google ebook, "A Roll of Arms of the Reign of Edward the Second", can be found:

10 Or, a cross engrailed gules . . . . . . . Sire Eustace de la Hacche

[relatedtoturnips]

If you need to, you can always contact the college of arms. They will Identify your coat of arms for a fee (i have no idea how much). Please see the link below. They are probably your best bet.

http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/services/identifying-a-coat-of-arms-or-crest

Turnip.

[relatedtoturnips]

Also a video here about tracing your coat of arms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU17LRoXZfw

[KGarrad]

Turnip, the College of Arms usually charge a lot!

Looking at the wikipedia page on hatching, there is a possibility that the vertical lines could indicate sable (black)?

In which cast the LHS could be the arms of Herne?
e.g. https://www.amazon.com/Herne-Family-Crest-Coat-Mouse/dp/B00CG8QS9G

That would make the RHS a black cross?
Which could be the arms of John de Mohun, 2nd Baron Mohun?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_de_Mohun,_2nd_Baron_Mohun_Arms.svg