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Re: New GRO Index - Meaning of "-" for mother's maiden name
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 10 November 16 10:12 GMT (UK) »
What about this one? was looking up another same year same district and left mmn blank don't think its my family. As Warwickshire baptism registers are online searched for curiosity but not found a William that area.

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Re: New GRO Index - Meaning of "-" for mother's maiden name
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 10 November 16 10:12 GMT (UK) »
To add a new  contemporary complication:     what about surrogate mothers?

There is whole section on surrogacy and assisted conception in the GRO manual - and it is complicated !

One overriding principle though is that "the woman who has carried the child is to be treated as the child's mother" no matter what the biological origins of the embryo may be, so the woman who actually gives birth to the child is the one who would be shown as the mother on the birth registration.

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Re: New GRO Index - Meaning of "-" for mother's maiden name
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 10 November 16 10:19 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Andrew, Jon and Antony, from the discussion I think it is becoming increasingly clear that the dash for mother's maiden name possibly means she wasn't married, but (perhaps) more likely that her maiden name either wasn't recorded at the time of registration, or has not been transcribed into the new index for reasons unknown.

Please excuse the pedantry, but although there is not a specific column for mother's maiden name, there does appear to be a specific space for it to be entered (if applicable) which is in column 5 and most likely following the word "formerly" (apparently handwitten in when applicable).

The significance of that is that when the information was transcribed to generate the new index, it should have been relatively easy to find the mother's maiden name by looking in column 5 and typing in what comes after the word 'formerly' (if anything). If that is the case, then I'm rather surprised at the number of dashes which are coming up on my searches.


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Re: New GRO Index - Meaning of "-" for mother's maiden name
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 10 November 16 10:22 GMT (UK) »

So is ".U.." the first example found of the GRO's UCF approach?

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Re: New GRO Index - Meaning of "-" for mother's maiden name
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 10 November 16 10:25 GMT (UK) »
Not so simple re your final paragraph.

Circa 1850,   when some people died young or in childbirth,    widows  could marry again  for various reasons,  notably financial and to give children stability and a home.
Nursall   ~    Buckinghamshire
Avies ~   Norwich

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Re: New GRO Index - Meaning of "-" for mother's maiden name
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 10 November 16 10:49 GMT (UK) »

True SB. To be pedantic again, the name written after "formerly" could be called "previous name". But in the context of the birth registration and column 5 asking for "maiden surname" then taking a 'type what you see' approach shouldn't the name after "formerly" have been entered as a "maiden surname"?

If a woman's previous married name has been written after "formerly" then this would of course be an error, but useful data for us in any event.

The point is why do so many records seem to be coming up with a dash for MMN?

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Re: New GRO Index - Meaning of "-" for mother's maiden name
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 10 November 16 11:15 GMT (UK) »

True SB. To be pedantic again, the name written after "formerly" could be called "previous name". But in the context of the birth registration and column 5 asking for "maiden surname" then taking a 'type what you see' approach shouldn't the name after "formerly" have been entered as a "maiden surname"?

The usual form is Sarah Jones (current name), formerly Smith (birth name), late Brown (previous married surname)
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