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Ellen Rose or Barnes born abt 1853 Bolton le Moors
« on: Saturday 19 November 16 14:10 GMT (UK) »
My great grandmother Sarah Ann Clegg was born 1877 in Lancaster to John and Ellen Clegg, on the GRO her mother's maiden name is Barnes.

Ellen married John in 1877 as Ellen Rose Barnes, father Joseph Barnes. She had a sister Agnes who married as Agnes Rose Barnes in 1874, father Joseph.

In 1861 they were in Skerton and 1871 in Lancaster both as Barnes, parents Sarah and Joseph. Ellen born about 1853 birthplace Bolton-le-Moors and Agnes 1857 in Barnsley. The marriage I have for Sarah and Joseph is 1859 in Barnsley, Sarah was a widow, Sarah Rose father Joseph Airey. I also have Sarah's marriage to John Rose, father Miles, in 1847 Lancaster, name Sarah Airey, father Joseph Airey.

So it looks as if the 2 girls were daughter's of John Rose and 'adopted' by their stepfather. Looking further I can't find any birth record or baptism for Ellen, Agnes seems to have been registered in 1857 as Agnes Barnes, mother's maiden name Airey, and baptised in Barnsley 1857 as Agnes Barnes, parents Joseph and Sarah Barnes.

I also can't find a death for John Rose although I have his baptism and 1841 census with father Miles, nor can I find Sarah or John in 1851

any help appreciated as I thought I'd sorted the girls parentage until I found Agnes on the new GRO indexes

Linda

Boliver - Selattyn/St. Martins
Hinton - Whitchurch/Ightfield
Parry - Hanmer/Bronington
Clarke - Barnsley/Lancaster
Clegg - Rochdale/Lancaster
Owens - Llansannan
Lee - Malpas
Chaloner - Holt/Chester
Airey - Westmorland
Sadler - Shropshire
Gee - Holt
Benbow - Shropshire

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Re: Ellen Rose or Barnes born abt 1853 Bolton le Moors
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 November 16 16:06 GMT (UK) »
Is this the family in 1871 in Lancaster?
Joseph Barnes   40
Sarah Barnes   40
Ellen Barnes   18
Agnes Barnes   14
Peter Barnes   11
Martha Barnes   7
John Barnes   5
Richard Barnes   3

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Re: Ellen Rose or Barnes born abt 1853 Bolton le Moors
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 November 16 16:32 GMT (UK) »
1852 Ellen   BARNS   mmn AIREY   registered in   Bolton


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Re: Ellen Rose or Barnes born abt 1853 Bolton le Moors
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 November 16 17:29 GMT (UK) »
thank you heatherjulie

yes that is the family in 1871

and thanks for finding that birth reg I must have missed it

so both Ellen and Agnes were registered as Barnes even though the mar I have for Sarah to Joseph Barnes is in 1859. Both used the middle name Rose which I assumed was for their real father, could he have died before Ellen was born and Sarah was living with Joseph and married him later?
Boliver - Selattyn/St. Martins
Hinton - Whitchurch/Ightfield
Parry - Hanmer/Bronington
Clarke - Barnsley/Lancaster
Clegg - Rochdale/Lancaster
Owens - Llansannan
Lee - Malpas
Chaloner - Holt/Chester
Airey - Westmorland
Sadler - Shropshire
Gee - Holt
Benbow - Shropshire

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Re: Ellen Rose or Barnes born abt 1853 Bolton le Moors
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 November 16 17:32 GMT (UK) »
here are the mar records

St Mary, Lancaster
4 Oct 1847
John Rose bachelor of Full Age Labourer  of Skerton
Sarah Airey spinster Minor Spinster of Skerton
John's Father: Miles Rose, Labourer
Sarah's Father: Joseph Airey, Sawyer
Witnesses: Richard Airey; Eleanor Rose

St George, Barnsley
1859
Joseph Barnes of full age bachelor, labourer of Barnsley (father Peter Barnes, a labourer) m Sarah Rose, widow, of full age of Barnsley (father Joseph Airey, sawyer)
Boliver - Selattyn/St. Martins
Hinton - Whitchurch/Ightfield
Parry - Hanmer/Bronington
Clarke - Barnsley/Lancaster
Clegg - Rochdale/Lancaster
Owens - Llansannan
Lee - Malpas
Chaloner - Holt/Chester
Airey - Westmorland
Sadler - Shropshire
Gee - Holt
Benbow - Shropshire

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Re: Ellen Rose or Barnes born abt 1853 Bolton le Moors
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 November 16 18:16 GMT (UK) »
There is a John Barnes registered in 1845 mmn Ayrey  in Preston  ???

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Re: Ellen Rose or Barnes born abt 1853 Bolton le Moors
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 November 16 18:21 GMT (UK) »
james Barnes 1852 mmn Ayrey Preston

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Re: Ellen Rose or Barnes born abt 1853 Bolton le Moors
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 19 November 16 18:23 GMT (UK) »
charles Barnes 1854 Preston mmn Ayrey

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Re: Ellen Rose or Barnes born abt 1853 Bolton le Moors
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 19 November 16 18:25 GMT (UK) »
James Barnes married Esther Ayrey in 1842 Walton le Dale