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The Sons of Mitcham's Travellers Killed in the Great War 1914-18
« on: Saturday 26 November 16 11:59 GMT (UK) »
Contrary to what others might think, the husbands & sons of Mitcham's travelling people fought and died in the Great war 1914-18.  I don't think I've ever seen recognition of, or a tribute to, this group of individuals.

I think these names on the memorial were from the travelling community:

Frederick Scott - thought to be married to Naomi Mills, a daughter of Aaron and Flora Mills - she was born in Wilford Road Croydon  circa 1887

Edward Marney - b. 1898 Epsom area, son of Edward & Ellen Marney.

John James - b. 1895 , son of Arthur James and Ocean Draper(?), from Queen's Road Mitcham.

Leonard Dixie - b. 1896 in Mitcham, son of Edward & Ann Dixie, from Eastflelds Mitcham.

Walter Bowers - b. 1874 in Sussex, married to Maud Mary Punter, son of Roda   Bowers. Walter was an old solider who had served with the East Surreys between 1894-1906.

Frederick Matthews - b. 1898 Wandsworth, son of Fred and Scinney/Sunnie Matthews - his mother's name was I think Sinamenta Cooper.

Christopher Matthews - b. 1894 details as above.  Family from Seaton Road, Mitcham  (A third brother Henry was known to have been  in the war and survived)

Arthur Gardener - b. 1899, son of William and Louisa Gardener, he was a "golf caddie" before the war. 

John Gardener - b. 1892, details as above. He was a "golf caddie" too. 


I think  nightnurse51 is the person who could help with some of the these names, but
any information about these individuals and their families would help to get them the recognition they deserve.
 

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Re: The Sons of Mitcham's Travellers Killed in the Great War 1914-18
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 26 November 16 14:50 GMT (UK) »
Matthews family in 1901

Address:  Known As Caravans Thereon, 60, Wardley Street, Wandsworth, London

Frederick Matthews Head 39     Flower Hawker  Wimbledon, Surrey
Sunnie Matthews   Wife 35   Epsom, Surrey
Joney   Matthews   Son 15   Mitcham, Surrey
Henry Matthews   Son 12 Mitcham, Surrey
?ramunn Matthews Daughter 8 Mitcham, Surrey
Crissey Matthews Son 6 Wandsworth, Surrey      
Frederick Matthews Son 4 Wandsworth, Surrey    
William Matthews   Son 2 Wandsworth, Surrey
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Re: The Sons of Mitcham's Travellers Killed in the Great War 1914-18
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 26 November 16 14:55 GMT (UK) »
Frederick Matthew's birth:

MATTHEWS  FREDERICK    mother's maiden name COOPER     
1897  J Quarter in WANDSWORTH 
Volume 01D  Page 711
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Re: The Sons of Mitcham's Travellers Killed in the Great War 1914-18
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 November 16 15:15 GMT (UK) »
Yes, that's the Matthews family I'm looking for, they were in Seaton Road by 1911. 
Fred and his wife were at 14 Seaton Road until around 1930.


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Re: The Sons of Mitcham's Travellers Killed in the Great War 1914-18
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 26 November 16 15:30 GMT (UK) »
I'm afraid you will have to remove the information from the 1911 census as due to copyright we can't post it on here.

What sort of information are you looking for?
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Re: The Sons of Mitcham's Travellers Killed in the Great War 1914-18
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 26 November 16 17:00 GMT (UK) »
I'm afraid you will have to remove the information from the 1911 census as due to copyright we can't post it on here.

What sort of information are you looking for?

1911 data Deleted as requested.

Information that confirms connections to known members of the Travelling community, any family stories, or background relevant to the Great War period.   I have most of the census and BMD data that is easliy found for these individuals but I'm not aware of the inter-family relationships or connections to travellers outside the Mitcham area, e.g. families in Wilford Road Croydon. 

I will contiune to search the forum for pervious posts that might mention these families. 

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Re: The Sons of Mitcham's Travellers Killed in the Great War 1914-18
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 27 November 16 11:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi MitchMem

You needed to amend the 1911 details you posted as that was a complete a copy and paste from a subscription site, but as you started the topic you can post your own transcriptions from the 1911 census.

What you cannot do is ask for 1911 census lookups and for other people to post 1911 onto your topics.

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Re: The Sons of Mitcham's Travellers Killed in the Great War 1914-18
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 November 16 11:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi MitchMem

You needed to amend the 1911 details you posted as that was a complete a copy and paste from a subscription site, but as you started the topic you can post your own transcriptions from the 1911 census.

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Re: The Sons of Mitcham's Travellers Killed in the Great War 1914-18
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 November 16 11:39 GMT (UK) »
New members are usually very enthusiastic when they join here, post and get lots of replies.

The site can be overwhelming as it's huge now compared to way back when, a victim of its own success, but there is usually lots of advice if you can find it.

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