Bates and Wilson confusion!!!!

[Annie65115]

I saw that, Mabel, and I wondered if that marriage had broken up and Grace had moved in, but she and William weren't initially able to marry.

But I can't see a Lena or Elizabeth McKevitt in 1911, nor can I see any deaths or divorces for people of these names between 1904 - 1914   

[sue 123]

I am surmising that Arthur WILSON, the Sailmaker, is the same one that I have i.e. born in Shrewsbury in 1845 on the 1871 census as the one named on the census 1861/1881 as being born in Sunderland in 1845 as I guess that he told the census people Sunderland for convenience?
The main link other than his occupation as sailmaker, which may have been common in the North East but (Henrietta) Mary Ann, his mother, born in London 1821 on the census forms is perhaps rarer?

His father was also Arthur Wilson born 1811 in Bristol.

Indeed it appears that he was married to Mary Garr and then Ann Thompson.

[Lily M]

This is surely the Arthur Wilson you should be following:

1901 - Liverpool

Arthur Wilson head  56  sailmaker  Durham, Sunderland
Ann Wilson  wife  53     Durham, Sunderland
Wm. Wilson  son  30     Durham
Arthur Wilson  son  17     Liverpool
Martha Wilson  dau.  16     Liverpool
Grace Wilson  dau.  14     Liverpool


Similar information (give or take a few children) is repeated on the 1891 and 1881 censuses.

Arthur Wilson is always a sailmaker, and always born in Durham, Sunderland.   As he is on the 1861 census mentioned earlier - living with his mother Mary Ann.

EDIT  Sorry, I have just seen your post above.  I didn't realise that the Arthur from Shrewsbury was the same one.  I'm just going to take a look at the 1871, as I missed it before

[Lily M]

Have looked at 1871, and of course you're right.

As to your original question regarding travelling around the country.  They almost certainly travelled by train.   Just as common then as it it now.  Probably more common I suppose, as they didn't have cars.

[sue 123]

Thanks to everyone on here who have helped me and I feel that I am "following" the right Arthur BATES so will enjoy going further back if possible on Arthur Snr and Henrietta Mary Ann.

Hope you all have a wonderful Xmas   

[Annie65115]

I've not had any luck with finding a Bates-Wilson marriage. However, I found this, from the Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury, Sat 9 June 1849:

Deaths - On the 4th June, age 1 year and 11 months, Alfred Bates, son of Mr Arthur Wilson, shoemaker.

[Annie65115]

Births (all mmn Bates)

1847  Alfred Wilson (in Durham and Lanchester district)
(all following in Sunderland district)
1850 Joseph Bates Wilson
1852 William Bates Wilson
1858 John Wilson
1861 Thomas Wilson
1864 Richard Henry Wilson

No girls!!

[keyboard86]

Hi all,  baptism :-

Alfred Bates Wilson 1st June 1849 St Thomas Bishopwearmouth Father Arthur Mother Mary Ann
Keyboard86

EDIT both St Thomas, Bishopwearmouth

James Bates Wilson 23rd January 1852 Father Arthur Mother Mary Ann

Arthur Bates Wilson b 7th January 1845 baptism 11th February 1852
Father Arthur Mother Mary Ann

[sue 123]

Hi all,  baptism :-

Alfred Bates Wilson 1st June 1849 St Thomas Bishopwearmouth Father Arthur Mother Mary Ann
Keyboard86

EDIT both St Thomas, Bishopwearmouth

James Bates Wilson 23rd January 1852 Father Arthur Mother Mary Ann

Arthur Bates Wilson b 7th January 1845 baptism 11th February 1852
Father Arthur Mother Mary Ann

Hi Keyboard, do your records tell you the location where ARTHUR BATES WILSON was baptised please as that may help me ? Also isn't it odd that he was baptised 7 years after he was born?!