James FOSTER death Poor Asylum 1898

[Webby]

Afternoon listers, I found in a Census (1891) a reference to the above James Foster and also his son (another James) who were living at Santon? Villa at that time.

James (snr) was a retired iron founder bn England and the son James aged 34 was a gardener also born England. 

Is there any information about people who were in the poor asylum, especially the above James. Were the poor asylum's like workhouses??

Regards

Webby

[KGarrad]

Workhouses were adminstered by Poor Law Unions .

On the Isle of Man there were workhouses in Douglas (Kingswood Grove), Braddan (Ballamona) and Ramsey (St Pauls, Ramsey).

Kingswood Grove is now a Nursing Home.
Ballamona is where the current Noble's Hospital is situated.

See: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/IsleOfMan/

Where did you find a reference to Poor Asylum?

[Webby]

Hi, the death I found for a James Foster was on Ancestry.com IOM burials (1598-2003) and it listed the date of burial 3/6/1898 (approx. birth c 1819) and was Braddan, IOM.  This information seems to be in keeping with the Census. 

It also looks as though James (son) on that Census may have married on the IOM to a Margaret Ann Morgan in November 1894. They had both their children  (James Morgan Foster and Robert Kingsley Foster) born there as well.

I still need to ascertain some more information about James (snr) to try and tie him with a John Foster an Iron Moulder/founder who was born in Hunsley c 1787.

Thanks for that link for the workhouses, I'll have a look at it

Cheers

Webby

[Ladyhawk]

It also looks as though James (son) on that Census may have married on the IOM to a Margaret Ann Morgan in November 1894.

They had both their children  (James Morgan Foster and Robert Kingsley Foster) born there as well.

I still need to ascertain some more information about James (snr) to try and tie him with a John Foster an Iron Moulder/founder who was born in Hunsley c 1787.

I don't know if this will help the above family on 1901 census RG13; Piece: 4347; Folio: 83; Page: 19
living Derbyshire and it gives James Foster pob Bacup Lancashire

his yob on 1891/01/11 census appears to be consistently 1854

There's this birth entry  on FreeBMD
James FOSTER Mar 1854 Haslingden (Bacup is in this registration district)
 
and from GRO indexes
James FOSTER mmn HODSON
1854  M Quarter in HASLINGDEN  Volume 08E  Page 94   
 
and from Lancashire BMD
1854 FOSTER   James mmn   HODSON   Newchurch   Preston

There is a marriage Dec 1845 Haslingden
James FOSTER
Female name on same page
Alice HODSON
Lancashire BMD confirms
FOSTER/HODSON 1845 marriage at Hyndurn RO or Registrar Attended

1851 HO107; Piece: 2247; Folio: 341; Page: 16
James FOSTER 32 (1819) Hunslet occ Ironfounder
Alice 29, Sarah Hannah 4, John N 1 mth
Hannah HODSON 63
James Hodson 21

1861 RG 9; Piece: 3053; Folio: 47; Page: 4
James FOSTER 44 (1817) Leeds occ Ironfounder ,
Alice,
JAMES 7 Bacup, Sarah Hannah 15 & Kate 4

1871 RG10; Piece: 3955; Folio: 129; Page: 31
James 53, wife's name now Sarah not Alice 52,
Sarah H, JAMES 17, Kate 14, Fanny A 8

from GRO indexes
Kate FOSTER   mmn  HODSON     
1857  M Quarter in HASLINGDEN  Volume 08E  Page 99   

Fanny FOSTER  mmn  HODSON     
1862  D Quarter in HASLINGDEN  Volume 08E  Page 94  Occasional Copy: A   

from Lancashire BMD
1846 Sarah Hannah FOSTER mmn HODSON   Whitworth and Brandwood Rochdale
1851 John William FOSTER mmn   HODSON   Whitworth and Brandwood   

1881 RG11; Piece: 4604; Folio: 147; Page: 65
James FOSTER 64 Married occ Iron founder out of business, dau Kate 24

1881c James' wife Sarah Foster 62 is visiting Constantine family
1881c Fanny A Foster 18 is living with her married sister Sarah Beeson
Haven't located James Foster Jnr. on 1881
edit - a possibility living in Halifax Yorkshire  RG11; Piece: 4402; Folio: 119; Page: 7
John Foster servant age 26 pob Bacup

1901 RG13; Piece: 3538; Folio: 168; Page: 5
Sarah Foster 82 is widowed and a boarder in Lancashire

[KGarrad]

I am visiting the Adjacent Isle for Christmas (e.g. England!).
If you still need Manx details looking at in the New Year, I can visit the Museum Library and check the Parish Registers.

[Webby]

Good Afternoon.....and thank you both so much for your help!.

James Foster (snr) bc 1819 in Hunslet (Iron Moulder/Founder) probably did marry Alice HODSON (I couldn't find a marriage as I didn't know what district  Bacup was in - so I've missed that - once again thank you).

I have James (snr) in Census' 1841, (not the 1851 that you found), 1861 in Lancashire, 1871 again in Lancashire, 1881 in Barnsby, 1891 at Santon? Isle of Man with James (jnr).

I also think that between 1861 & 1871, his wife Alice probably had died?? as the 1871 Census with Sarah has her age as being 52 to James' 53 - where the previous 1861 census has Alice as being 39 and James as 44....although that's not anywhere near a confirmation of a second marriage and both Alice and Sarah gave their place of birth as Bolton!.   Anyway, that problem is in the too hard basket at this time!!.


Another interesting piece of information was on the headstone of Sarah Hannah Beeson nee Foster wife of Charles Henry Beeson, it lists the following people.

Sarah Hannah Beeson   First wife         died 1883 aged 37
Fanny Alice Beeson       Second wife     died 1886 aged 24 (*is this the sister of Sarah Hannah)
Kate Beeson                 Third wife         died 1941 (* is this another sister of Sarah's??) aged 84
Charles Henry Beeson    died 1932 aged 81
Charles Henry Beeson     died 1896 aged 2
Herbert Henry Beeson     died 1891 aged 1
Alfred Hodson Beeson      died 1893.

I haven't found the marriages for Fanny and Kate to a Charles Henry Beeson, so their surnames are not known at the moment...but goodness it looks a bit suss doesn't it!!.  And the child  Alfred Hodson Beeson who died in 1893 definitely wasn't Sarah Hannah's child!!.

I would also appreciate the offer of a look at the Parish Registers please, especially if the death of James Foster in 1898 on the IOM has any other information about him.  It's very kind of you to offer, and thank you.

Regards

Webby

[KGarrad]

If you use the new GRO Index search facility, you can find Mother's maiden names for the children's births.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

You'll need to register first, but it's a free service


Maybe not your James, but . . . .
Castle Rushen Gaol Registers
Civil case. High Bailiff Quirk's order for a breach of the peace. Entered into bonds in the Rolls Office to keep the peace
Date of confinement: 26 January 1830
Date of Release: 29 January 1830

[Ladyhawk]

Another interesting piece of information was on the headstone of
Sarah Hannah Beeson nee Foster wife of Charles Henry Beeson, it lists the following people.

Sarah Hannah Beeson   First wife         died 1883 aged 37
Fanny Alice Beeson       Second wife     died 1886 aged 24 (*is this the sister of Sarah Hannah)
Kate Beeson                 Third wife         died 1941 (* is this another sister of Sarah's??) aged 84
Charles Henry Beeson    died 1932 aged 81
Charles Henry Beeson     died 1896 aged 2
Herbert Henry Beeson     died 1891 aged 1
Alfred Hodson Beeson      died 1893.

I haven't found the marriages for Fanny and Kate to a Charles Henry Beeson, so their surnames are not known at the moment...but goodness it looks a bit suss doesn't it!!.  And the child  Alfred Hodson Beeson who died in 1893 definitely wasn't Sarah Hannah's child!!.

I can't find a  Charles Henry Beeson marrying either a  Fanny between 1883 - 1886 or
Kate after 1886 
Perhaps he did not marry either of them and they just lived together as man and wife

I checked Lancashire BMD but can only see his 1875 marriage entry to Sarah Hannah Foster at Bury Register Office or Registrar Attended -
there is one in Bury for a Kate Foster in 1884 she married John Farrer

It certainly appears to me that they are the sisters of his first wife Sarah Hannah Foster

Fanny Alice Beeson born 4th Nov 1862 died June 1886
Fanny FOSTER  birth registered in Dec qtr. 1862 Haslingden

Kate Beeson born 9th March 1857 died July 1941
Kate FOSTER birth registered in March qtr. 1857 Haslingden

Charles H Beeson living in Barnsley  until his death 1932
1881 with his wife Sarah Hannah nee Foster & his sister in law Fanny A(lice) Foster
1891/01/11 with his wife Kate (married around 1888 according to latest census) 

1891c RG12; Piece: 3775; Folio: 33; Page: 59
Charles H Beeson 40
KATE 34 (1857) Lancashire
Sarah mother 69
Alice P(hoebe) 9, William 4, Herbert H 5 months

1901 RG13; Piece: 4315; Folio: 146; Page: 26
additional child named Kingsley Beeson age 9
(Herbert Henry Beeson died Sept. 1891)
and not on any census was their son
Alfred Hodson Beeson born February 1893 died May 1893

from GRO indexes ALL children have the same mother's maiden name
Sarah Hannah died 1883, Fanny Alice died 1886 and Kate died 1941

Alice Phoebe BEESON mmn FOSTER    
1881  D Quarter in Barnsley Union  Volume 09C  Page 159   
probably dau of Sarah Hannah

William BEESON mmn  FOSTER     
1886  J Quarter in Barnsley Union Volume 09C  Page 212
(I think Fanny Alice is his mother and probably
died during/after child birth as her death is also June quarter 1886 Barnsley)   

and these three children probably sons of Kate
Herbert Henry BEESON mmn FOSTER    
1890 D Quarter in Barnsley Union  Volume 09C  Page 187
   
Kingsley BEESON mmn FOSTER     
1892  J Quarter in Barnsely Union  Volume 09C  Page 189   

Alfred Hodson BEESON mmn FOSTER     
1893  J Quarter in Barensley Union  Volume 09C  Page 212   

Charles Henry Beeson of 12 Victoria Avenue Barnsley died 12 Jan 1932
Probate Date:   21 Jun 1932 to Alice Phoebe Beeson spinster, William Beeson Draper,
Kingsley Beeson electrical engineer and Alfred Frederick James Girling Accountant

Kate Beeson widow of 12 Victoria Avenue Barnsley died 18 Jul 1941
Probate Date:   15 Oct 1941 to Alice Phoebe Beeson spinster & Kingsley Beeson
electrical engineer

Kingsley Beeson died 23 Dec 1983  31 Park Road Mexborough South Yorks
Probate Date:   17 Jan 1984

[Webby]

Oh boy.....what a tangled family!.  

You are certainly correct with the information you have posted.  I will check to see if the Kate Foster who married John Farrer in 1884 can be eliminated as the Kate Foster who around 1888 probably did not marry her brother in law . 

Thank you also for the information at the GRO for births (especially) giving the mother's name.  This has been a godsend for me as you can imagine with family named "Foster", it was some hard going to try and ascertain which children belonged to whom!.

Kind regards

Webby