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Offline Pdorgan

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Registering Birth of a Child in 1922
« on: Monday 19 December 16 17:48 GMT (UK) »
What is you opinion please

I have a birth record of a person born in 1922, which looks as it should, listing the mothers surname the same as the fathers, and also listing her name from previous marriage and Birth name in the following way..
( False names by the way)

Mother:
Elsie Crabtree, Late Smith, Formally Jones.

Smith being here previous married name and Jones her birth name.

I cannot find any record of her marriage to Mr Crabtree.. I also have her listed as Elsie Crabtree on 1939 register..

So my questions..
Is it possible they were not married and she just using his name?
Could the birth have been registered without using a legal name?
What proof had to be provided in 1922?

I should add that the father was the informant.

Thanks
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Re: Registering Birth of a Child in 1922
« Reply #1 on: Monday 19 December 16 18:10 GMT (UK) »
You can't trace the marriage.  Might they have married overseas?  Scotland?  Ireland?  Indexed incorrectly?
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Re: Registering Birth of a Child in 1922
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 December 16 19:24 GMT (UK) »
   I have a very similar birth certificate in my collection. I know the parents were not married, the father was the informant, and mother has his name, with a "formerly" name.
    I think the registrar just wrote down what he was told. Is there such a thing as a legal name?
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Re: Registering Birth of a Child in 1922
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 December 16 19:32 GMT (UK) »
Anything is possible. For example,  I have a couple, both married to other people but cohabitingfor years as a married couple. they had two children, a son in 1912 and a daughter in 1915. Both the children were registered as if the parents were married,  but the surname used was fictitious.

The couple went on to to further try and conceal the true facts of their relationship other documents, including their wills. I later found the real husband of the woman went on to make a bigamous marriage, declaring himself a bachelor.

It pays to always view so called facts, with some scepticism, until they can be verified.

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Re: Registering Birth of a Child in 1922
« Reply #4 on: Monday 19 December 16 19:42 GMT (UK) »
In my family too. In 1920 in West Derby, Liverpool a birth was registered by the father. The mother's surname was his but late Xxxxx formally Yyyyy. The mother was born Yyyyy, married Xxxxx, was divorced in 1917 or 18. No marriage found for mother and father. The mother later reverted to her previous married name Xxxxx. Doesn't seem uncommon.
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Re: Registering Birth of a Child in 1922
« Reply #5 on: Monday 19 December 16 21:26 GMT (UK) »

So my questions..
Is it possible they were not married and she just using his name?  Yes
Could the birth have been registered without using a legal name?
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What proof had to be provided in 1922? None - but it is an offence under the perjury act to tell lies to the registrar !

I should add that the father was the informant. Which confirms that he was claiming to be married to the mother - an unmarried father can't be the informant on his own


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Re: Registering Birth of a Child in 1922
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 20 December 16 14:21 GMT (UK) »
My paternal gran's birth certificate is the same, showing maiden name, previous married name and "current" married name of her mother and the name of the father.  This was in 1884 but despite searches by many Rootschatters, various ancestors of the pair no marriage has ever been found.  I've yet to work out if my g.grandfather was already married, whether my g.gran wasn't sure her first husband had died at sea, or whether they just couldn't be bothered to get married. 

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Re: Registering Birth of a Child in 1922
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 24 December 16 15:31 GMT (UK) »
Sort of similar type of question but I recently attended the funeral of a family friend who was supposedly born in 1931.  I've finally tracked down her birth registered but in 1934! (Quite unusual name)

Did you need to take any proof of birth to the registrar in the 1930's or could there be another reason for the three year gap? (I believe I know they didn't leave the country during that period)

Any ideas?

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Re: Registering Birth of a Child in 1922
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 24 December 16 15:56 GMT (UK) »
any chance her parents married in 1934 and you've found the reregistration