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adoption 1919-1920
« on: Tuesday 27 December 16 20:44 GMT (UK) »
First timer so...I am hoping for help finding anything on my Nana, Violet Florence McArthur.  Born June 30th 1919 in London City . Mother Alice Tapp, father not on record of birth, do not know if they married. She was raised by Lawrence (Philip) and Mabel May Deakin nee Beare. When Violet met my Granddad she was using the name Deakin. She died in 1991. Never knowing.   
 I do know that no records were kept so early on but....just hoping to find a first name for Mr. McArthur, or what happened to Alice?   thank you

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 December 16 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat.

You are right, there was no formal adoption before 1927, so there are unlikely to be any records. It is a bit unusual, as far as I know, for a child to be given their father's surname if he is not mentioned on the birth certificate and the parent's aren't married. Not illegal, as I believe you can give a child any name you like, just unusual!

Something a little odd re the entry on Freebmd, the initials are in brackets i.e [F P] none of the others on that page are. I wonder if that is significant? 
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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 December 16 21:04 GMT (UK) »
Does it say anything about Alice Tapp? For example, is that all or does it say her occupation, or "single woman" or "Alice McArthur formerly Tapp" or anything? Is the place of birth no more specific than London City?

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 December 16 22:05 GMT (UK) »

Something a little odd re the entry on Freebmd, the initials are in brackets i.e [F P] none of the others on that page are. I wonder if that is significant?

It's a freebmd way of transcribing, the transcriber can't determine whether the initial is a F or P so puts them both in a bracket as a way of highlighting the problem.

The initial is clearly an F if you look at other sources.
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Sherry-Paddington & Marylebone,
Longhurst-Ealing & Capel, Abinger, Ewhurst & Ockley,
Chandler-Chelsea

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 December 16 22:09 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Dawn, that's something to remember.
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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 December 16 22:22 GMT (UK) »
The only births for Alice Tapp in London from 1890 to 1905 are two in 1899.  Alice Maud in St Olave and Alice Maud M in Lambeth.

These girls both die by the age of 1.

So either Alice was born outside London, or aged around 30 or above when baby born.

There is no death or marriage for an Alice Tapp from 1919 to 1939 in London.

Added:
Sorry, do you mean she was born as MacArthur, so her parents were married?

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 December 16 22:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi are you sure I was unusual .groom .

My Nana was boarded out as a baby 1901 census has her under her birth name
She was at school and on 1911 census under name of the 'adoptive' family

She may not have known her birth surname until she married .

Have come across  a possible sister  for her who was registered under her mothers fella.s name as they were passing themselves off as married

On the 1911 census she is down as adopted daughter aged 4 but still under name given at birth .....I don't know which surname she used later .

Good luck with your research .
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 December 16 22:35 GMT (UK) »
What I was saying brididmac is that it is fairly unusual for a child to be given her father's name on her birth certificate if the parent's weren't married and if the father wasn't named on the certificate. You would usually expect to see her mother's name.

We do need more information about the mother's name on the certificate as Ayashi says.
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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 27 December 16 22:37 GMT (UK) »
There is no death for an Alice MacArthur from 1919 to 1983 in London, according to free bmd.