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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 28 December 16 02:56 GMT (UK) »
There is no death for an Alice MacArthur from 1919 to 1983 in London, according to free bmd.

Trees on Ancestry have her death as 1991 - Guelph, Ontario.
Violet did die in Guelph, yes,

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 28 December 16 02:58 GMT (UK) »
Does it say anything about Alice Tapp? For example, is that all or does it say her occupation, or "single woman" or "Alice McArthur formerly Tapp" or anything? Is the place of birth no more specific than London City?

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 28 December 16 07:22 GMT (UK) »
On the birth certificate, where the Father's full name should be recorded, it just says MacArthur?

Where it says occupation of Father it is just left blank?

Name, surname and maiden surname of Mother, it just says Alice Tapp?

What was entered in the informant box?

Sorry for asking again, please could you transcribe full details from the certificate.


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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 28 December 16 17:27 GMT (UK) »
what about my reply #9?
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Sherry-Paddington & Marylebone,
Longhurst-Ealing & Capel, Abinger, Ewhurst & Ockley,
Chandler-Chelsea

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 29 December 16 20:12 GMT (UK) »
what about my reply #9?
I do not have the formal certificate of birth just the record of birth. On her marriage certicate she crossed everything out. I can't send what I do have, the file is too big.

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 29 December 16 20:19 GMT (UK) »
I was told Alice Tapp went to the United States, but again can't find anything.    I wondering if Violet was born after her father died. And she got his Surname, but parents never married??

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 29 December 16 20:32 GMT (UK) »
What I was saying brididmac is that it is fairly unusual for a child to be given her father's name on her birth certificate if the parent's weren't married and if the father wasn't named on the certificate. You would usually expect to see her mother's name.

We do need more information about the mother's name on the certificate as Ayashi says.
Tapp is listed as Alice's Mainden name of Restister of Birth.
Welcome to Rootschat.

You are right, there was no formal adoption before 1927, so there are unlikely to be any records. It is a bit unusual, as far as I know, for a child to be given their father's surname if he is not mentioned on the birth certificate and the parent's aren't married. Not illegal, as I believe you can give a child any name you like, just unusual!

Something a little odd re the entry on Freebmd, the initials are in brackets i.e [F P] none of the others on that page are. I wonder if that is significant?

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 29 December 16 20:40 GMT (UK) »
On the birth certificate, where the Father's full name should be recorded, it just says MacArthur?

Where it says occupation of Father it is just left blank?

Name, surname and maiden surname of Mother, it just says Alice Tapp?

What was entered in the informant box?

Sorry for asking again, please could you transcribe full details from the certificate.
Only have record of birth, but on her marriage certificate she crossed it all out.

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 29 December 16 20:50 GMT (UK) »
I do not have the formal certificate of birth just the record of birth. On her marriage certicate she crossed everything out. I can't send what I do have, the file is too big.

In your first post you said that the father's name wasn't on the birth certificate - are you now saying that you haven't seen the actual certificate? If not you need the birth certificate as it will tell you far more. That will give you her mother's name and whether or not she was married. It should also give her father's first name unless that column was left blank.
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