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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 29 December 16 21:04 GMT (UK) »
I do not have the formal certificate of birth just the record of birth. On her marriage certicate she crossed everything out. I can't send what I do have, the file is too big.

In your first post you said that the father's name wasn't on the birth certificate - are you now saying that you haven't seen the actual certificate? If not you need the birth certificate as it will tell you far more. That will give you her mother's name and whether or not she was married. It should also give her father's first name unless that column was left blank.       

Sorry, I thought I had the birth certificate but I have her record of birth, her copy and the list that is on freebmd. I would not even know how to get a copy a that, living in Canada. I did notice though that on the freebmd site Tapp is listed as her maiden name. Sorry again!

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 29 December 16 21:17 GMT (UK) »
So what is the "record of birth" if it isn't the birth certificate?

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« Reply #29 on: Thursday 29 December 16 21:20 GMT (UK) »
you can apply online at www.gro.gov.uk, all certs currently cost 9.25 sterling and cost no more to send worldwide. You must quote these details as they are on the image

Birth Sept 1919

McArthur,  Violet F, district London C. volume 1c page 3

you don't need the mothers maiden surname.

Despatch is about 5 working days plus overseas airmail postage.

The 'record' might be a short form cert that doesn't show parents names or the exact place of birth

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 20 December 20 00:39 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, kinda lost touch.
Jack McArthur is the father's name. He was a Private for  the Australian Imperial force at the headquarters in London, in 1919. Living with Alice Edith at 15 Montpelier street, Knightsbridge.    I recently found out there was a home for Disabled Vets on Montpelier st, somewhere.
Alice was born in the Thavies Inn Infirmary V.D ward.
Alice states her name as McArthur, formally known as Tapp.

In 1920, Violet is already in the custody of the Deakins. As Alice signs papers giving her rights away. No father mentioned 1920.
And mistakenly writes Miss Alice on the papers but crosses it out

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #31 on: Monday 21 December 20 15:17 GMT (UK) »
Does Alice go on to marry Mr Patmore, travel to Australia with him and a daughter, and die there in 1979?

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« Reply #32 on: Monday 21 December 20 15:57 GMT (UK) »
I believe so.
I believe there was no marriage before Patmore. And writes "spinster" on marriage papers.

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #33 on: Monday 21 December 20 15:59 GMT (UK) »
I am hoping that the 1921 census sheds some light as it was done in June, and she marries in September.
They are all in-between censuses, which is very frustrating!!

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« Reply #34 on: Monday 21 December 20 16:41 GMT (UK) »
Does she also have a son in 1916, or is he an unrelated Tapp/Tapp birth?

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Re: adoption 1919-1920
« Reply #35 on: Monday 21 December 20 17:55 GMT (UK) »
This is the tricky part.
Kenneth was born in 1916, in Clapham maternity. Apparently for first born children.
Kenneth side does think it's the same Alice!
My Nana never wanted to know, but it has always fascinated me!
We have a letter from Alice to give custody. And my Nanas birth record