Birth record for Harriet DAVIES born c 1821 Liverpool Lancashire

[marg06]

I am searching for the birth record/s of my GG grandmother Harriet Davies/possibly Davis born around 1821 in Liverpool Lancashire. I know the following:
Father: William Davies, timber merchant, mother Margaret Davies (formerly Whielden) (from death certificate died 1887 Prahran Victoria AUS)
Married Thomas Giles Johnson on 11 May 1843 at Walton On The Hill, Lancaster, England. Harriet’s address given as Kirkdale.
Migrated to Australia 1852.
The only baptism record for a child of William Davies (timber merchant) and Margaret (formerly Wheildon) which I have found is for a John Whieldon Davies on 30 Sep 1807 at St Nicholas Liverpool. This is a "brickwall" for me and any help would be wonderful.

[maddys52]

Haven't found Harriet's baptism yet, however there is this marriage William DAVIES and Margaret WHIELDON 8 December 1806 Eccleshall, Stafford (on familysearch)

[rolnora]

I can't see a baptism for Harriet either but there are baptisms for other children of William and Margaret on Lancsopc,
John, the one you have 25 Sept 1807 St Nicholas
Louisa born 19 May 1809 and baptised on the same day as William born 24 May 1812
both baptised 3 Nov 1812 at St James Toxteth
 Margaret baptised 10 May 1814  St James Toxteth.
You can check them out yourself on the website
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

[garstonite]

Could you possibly check the dates you have posted please - I am confused
William Davies married Margaret Wheilden - 8th dec 1806 in Eccleshall - she died 1887 -
Margaret Wheildon baptised Eccleshall 9th March 1787 - father John mother Ann - is this your Margaret ?? if so she was 20 when she married William
but -  was she 99 - 100 when she died ??

have you found William / Margaret and Harriet in Liverpool in the 1841 census ?

for the record St James has just had a multi million pound face lift and looks stunning - a huge  church -seating for 600  .....I live 5 miles away 

[maddys52]

Hi garstonite, I think the OP said Harriet died in 1887, not Margaret. 

I saw that baptism for Margaret WHIELDON too and thought it looked likely. I thought I saw a death for Margaret DAVIES (nee WHEILDON) b 1787 buried in Cheshire in the 1830s but can't find it again now, maybe I imagined it 

Marg06 - does it say Harriet was 21 on the marriage cert? - that may just mean she was over 21, so could be born any time before 1821. Also, on the marriage cert does it say if either of the parents are deceased?

[garstonite]

Hi garstonite, I think the OP said Harriet died in 1887, not Margaret. 

I saw that baptism for Margaret WHIELDON too and thought it looked likely. I thought I saw a death for Margaret DAVIES (nee WHEILDON) b 1787 buried in Cheshire in the 1830s but can't find it again now, maybe I imagined it 

Marg06 - does it say Harriet was 21 on the marriage cert? - that may just mean she was over 21, so could be born any time before 1821. Also, on the marriage cert does it say if either of the parents are deceased?

Thanks Maddy - the way it was written I thought MARGARET had died 1887 ...lol...silly old custard aren't I 

[maddys52]

Thanks Maddy - the way it was written I thought MARGARET had died 1887 ...lol...silly old custard aren't I 

 

Actually marg06 I see the age at death of Harriet Johnson in 1887 is 66, so now I know where the 1821 fits! Although of course it's only as accurate as the person providing the info knew.

[maddys52]

You've probably seen this, but just in case - Harriet's death notice, says "Late of Liverpool, England" Well, you know that already, so doesn't really help much I guess.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197457553

[maddys52]

Still can't find a baptism for Harriet. Did see that her father William is deceased on the marriage record.

Here's Harriet and Thomas in 1851: Bootle Cum Linacre, Lancashire,
Thomas Giles Johnson 30    Liverpool, Lancashire
Harriet Johnson             29    Liverpool
Thomas Giles Johnson 7    Liverpool
Harriet Johnson           6    Liverpool
Elizabeth Johnson      5    Liverpool
Louisa Johnson              2    Liverpool
Lydie E Wilkie    Servant 20    Liverpool

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