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Definition and Decipher please ....
« on: Thursday 12 January 17 18:16 GMT (UK) »
I have been reading some old documents (circa 1650's) and several times they refer to .... The Manor or reputed Manor ....   for example: "The Manor or reputed Manor of The Grove ... and also "The Manor or reputed manor of Earl's Court".  Can you tell me why the phrase 'Manor or reputed Manor' is used and what exactly does it mean?....thank you
Scotland:Aberdeen:BROWN,COUTTS,CULLEN,TAYLOR
England:Gloucestershire:CAMERY,SHAIL,PERRYMAN
England:Woolwich:Plumstead:BROWN,MARKHAM,QUADLING
England:Gloucestershire:Stroud:HOGG,GARDNER,WRIGHT
England:Worcestershire:BROWN,LANNI(e), BRIDGES
Ireland:Dublin:(O')CONNOR,MULLEN,KANE

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Re: Definition please ....
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 12 January 17 18:47 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Definition please ....
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 12 January 17 18:57 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the reply ..... Am I right to assume then that there were once separate Manor's called Earl's Court and The Grove?
Scotland:Aberdeen:BROWN,COUTTS,CULLEN,TAYLOR
England:Gloucestershire:CAMERY,SHAIL,PERRYMAN
England:Woolwich:Plumstead:BROWN,MARKHAM,QUADLING
England:Gloucestershire:Stroud:HOGG,GARDNER,WRIGHT
England:Worcestershire:BROWN,LANNI(e), BRIDGES
Ireland:Dublin:(O')CONNOR,MULLEN,KANE

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Re: Definition please ....
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 12 January 17 19:45 GMT (UK) »
The attached image ( I hope it is readable) is part of the document I was referring to ..... I do have one more query regarding document. From what it states in the document can you tell me who is bringing Earl's Court to the marriage table? .... Is it owned by Timothy Brigginshaw or by his wife to be Ann Barneby or the other ladies mentioned ..... thank you
Scotland:Aberdeen:BROWN,COUTTS,CULLEN,TAYLOR
England:Gloucestershire:CAMERY,SHAIL,PERRYMAN
England:Woolwich:Plumstead:BROWN,MARKHAM,QUADLING
England:Gloucestershire:Stroud:HOGG,GARDNER,WRIGHT
England:Worcestershire:BROWN,LANNI(e), BRIDGES
Ireland:Dublin:(O')CONNOR,MULLEN,KANE


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Re: Definition and Decipher please ....
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 12 January 17 22:51 GMT (UK) »
As there have been over 130 views but no answer, I'll have a go -- subject to correction by others more knowledgeable about settlement deeds.

The reputed manor of Earls Court is held by Timothy Brigginshaw, who is shortly to marry Ann Barneby. Annís mother (Mary Barneby) and her grandmother (Ann Rowden, widow) are to hand over £1000 to him, as Annís marriage portion. In return, the manor will be entailed on the sons of Timothy and Ann, with separate monetary provision made for their daughters.

The Lease and Release of the following day are a feature of the complicated mechanism used to transfer freehold property by settlement, of which I have only an imperfect grasp. For an in-depth explanation of the process, with examples, you may want to visit this page, and follow all the links provided ...

https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/manuscriptsandspecialcollections/researchguidance/deedsindepth/settlements/description.aspx

Meanwhile, thereís some background history of the reputed manor of Earls Court, mentioning the Brigginshaw family and Francis Geers, in the middle of this page (scroll down) ...

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/worcs/vol3/pp501-510

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Re: Definition and Decipher please ....
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 January 17 23:43 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your input...I could not see in the wording of the document where it says that Timothy holds Earl's Court ... Can you point me to which line tells me that he holds it so that I can try to read it and decipher it myself. Thanks
Scotland:Aberdeen:BROWN,COUTTS,CULLEN,TAYLOR
England:Gloucestershire:CAMERY,SHAIL,PERRYMAN
England:Woolwich:Plumstead:BROWN,MARKHAM,QUADLING
England:Gloucestershire:Stroud:HOGG,GARDNER,WRIGHT
England:Worcestershire:BROWN,LANNI(e), BRIDGES
Ireland:Dublin:(O')CONNOR,MULLEN,KANE

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Re: Definition and Decipher please ....
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 12 January 17 23:54 GMT (UK) »
Abstract of Mrs Mary Hoptons title to Earls Court & Lands in the parish of Saint
John in Bedwardine in the County of Worcester


6th Oct 1691
Articles of this date Bet(ween) Ann Rowden Widow, Mary Barneby dau(ghte)r of the s(ai)d Ann, & Ann Barneby

Spinster dau(ghte)r of the s(aid) Mary of the one part, & Timothy Brigginshaw of thother part, The said

Ann Rowden & Mary Barneby in cons(ideration) of a marr(iage) intended between the s(ai)d Timothy Brigginshaw &

the said Ann Barneby, severally Covenant & agree to pay to the s(ai)d T. Brigginshaw the full
Sum of 1000li as the present Portion of the s(ai)d Ann Barneby.

The s(ai)d T. Brigginshaw for the cons(ideration) af(oresai)d for himself his heirs etc. covenants with the s(ai)d Ann Rowden

& Mary Barneby at his own proper cons(ideration?) & charges well & securely to settle & assure All that the

Manor or reputed Manor called Earls Court in the County of Worcester & the lands & heredit(ament)s thereto

belonging
then let at 83li p(er) ann(um) ... To the use & behoof of the s(ai)d Ann Barneby for her

Jointure & in satisfaction of the Dower
& the heirs Males of her body by the s(ai)d T. Brigginshaw
to be begotten ...


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Re: Definition and Decipher please ....
« Reply #7 on: Friday 13 January 17 00:11 GMT (UK) »
... And allso some other of his lands & tenements to the farther value of 150li p(er) ann(um)

and more, to the heirs Male of her body to be begotten as af(oresai)d after the decease of him the s(ai)d T. Brigginshaw

And to be charged with 1000li if one Dau(ghte)r, 1400li if two Dau(ghte)rs only, & with 2000li if 3 or more

Dau(ghte)rs for their several portions. No further Limitation beyond Heirs Male.

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Re: Definition and Decipher please ....
« Reply #8 on: Friday 13 January 17 00:15 GMT (UK) »
Most grateful for all that work ...thank you very much. Your script will help me to decipher all the other pages of the document. I must get my head into 17 century mode ... thanks again, but I might need a little more help later on if I get into a pickle.
Scotland:Aberdeen:BROWN,COUTTS,CULLEN,TAYLOR
England:Gloucestershire:CAMERY,SHAIL,PERRYMAN
England:Woolwich:Plumstead:BROWN,MARKHAM,QUADLING
England:Gloucestershire:Stroud:HOGG,GARDNER,WRIGHT
England:Worcestershire:BROWN,LANNI(e), BRIDGES
Ireland:Dublin:(O')CONNOR,MULLEN,KANE