JARVEY William Andrew - Scotland/Tasmania?/Australia

[Redman1946]

I a trying to trace my great great grandparents, and also my great grandfather after he disappeared in Australia in the late 1800's.

My great grandfather was William Andrew Jarvey. He married Jane Ford (1857-1917) in 1878 in Greenock, Scotland. His marriage record shows his father as William Jarvey, Pawnbroker and mother Catherine Jane Shaw. In the England 1881 census William Andrew gave his place of birth as Ireland in abt 1853, but I cannot find any record for him prior to 1878.

He left his family in the UK about 1886 and went to Australia. His eldest son, William Henry Jarvey (1879-1955) went to Australia in 1894 in attempt to find his father but was unable to do so, and I cannot find any further records for him on line.

The only record I can find for his possible parents is a William Andrew Jarvey (1823-1865), who was licensed as a Pawnbroker in Tasmania, and married the Irish born Catherine Jane Shaw (1824-1864) there in 1844. One of their many children was William James, born in 1848, who I cannot trace after that date, and was not with the family when they moved to New Zealand in 1862.

Any information or possible links would be very much appreciated.

 

[rosball]

I hope this doesn't come as too much of a shock but there are a number of newspaper reports about William Andrew JARVEY in NZ (and the death of his wife Catherine Jane nee SHAW)

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article38664282

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article212787045

Several more like this

Ros

adding : death http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article169040782
             a later summary http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article168749494

[Maggsie]

Can I just check.
The 1881 Census
William A Jarvey was with his wife and Father in law and also a son Frank?
Maggsie

[rosball]

William Henry JARVEY 

There is a death in Queensland https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/

1955 William Henry JARVEY, father William Andrew, mother Jane FORD,  reg C5271

Here it relates story of his coming to Australia at age 15 to find his father
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-page9684216

Marriage of son  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56386416
WW2 service for son http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=A&VeteranId=19678
Christening of son's daughter http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article57261627
Birth of son's son http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56814769

Ros
adding : whoops you know about the son - I misread the "him" in not finding anything further online as applying to son instead of father.

[Redman1946]

Thanks for getting back so quickly. I have extensive records for William Andrew Jarvey (1823-1865) as he was quite notorious. After arriving in Tasmania he eventually set up as a Pawnbroker from 1853 until 1856. However, I am trying to establish a definite link between him and my great grandfather William Andrew (1853-?).

It is just such a coincidence that my great grandfather gave his father as William Jarvey, Pawnbroker and his mother as Catherine Jane Shaw. I cannot find this couple anywhere else but in Tasmania. The one theory is that their son William James, who would have been about 16 when his family went to New Zealand, might have remained in Tasmania, or left home even earlier. Did he come to the UK and not be too precise about his background because of the events in New Zealand?

The other possibility is that there was a couple of the same name as William and Catherine in Ireland who were pawnbrokers, and the records have been lost.

Just hoping someone might know something.

 

[rosball]

In the story about William Henry JARVEY coming to Queensland, Australia to look for his dad, it says that he discovered that his father had gone to Western Australia.

I have been checking W.A. BDM http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/
and W.A. cemeteries http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/  without success.

I'll have a look for William James ...

Ros

[rosball]

I'm getting confused - well it's quite late here.

William Andrew JARVEY and Catherine Jane SHAW had a son
     William James JARVEY born in Tasmania 8 sep 1848.

Are you suggesting that they later c1853 had a son William Andrew JARVEY born in Ireland?  Well perhaps this is possible if the first William had died but it seems a stretch to suggest that they returned to Ireland and then back to Tasmania.

Could William James and William Andrew be the same person who returned to UK (after the scandal) and married in Scotland and then later ran off back to Australia?

Perhaps I have lost the plot ... 

[rosball]

There is a death of a Jane JARVEY (nee FORD) in Queensland in 1917

1917 C944 Jane JARVEY, father Henry FORD, mother Jane MURDOCH

Her funeral notices http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article55169182

Did Jane (and her children) follow her husband and son to Australia?

And a death in 1966
1966 C1073 John Thomas JARVEY, father William Andrew JARVEY, mother Jane FORD,

Ros

[Maggsie]

I am waiting for a reply as above.
I have found the info but too big to post here.
It seems Jane the mother went to Australia only 8 years before she passed on. But there was another Jane Jarvey who was a nurse went she went to Australia, so I need confirmation.
I asked about the son Frank as this is where I picked up all the info.
It states who went to Australia and the addresses of the other siblings in England.
I also found the ship record of the William Jarvey who married Catherine Shaw in Australia.
Maggsie