Clynch and Clinch Clonegal 1840 help

[kclinch]

The bicentenary publication, Clonegal 1798, tells of the Clynches dwelling where William Carroll's family (1798) lived and where Paddy Kirwan presently (1998) resides.
I know that Mary Clynch born 1816, William 1820, John 1823 and James 1826 immigrated to Iowa USA by 1850, and these siblings had a brother who remained in Ireland. A family letter tells of the brother visiting from Ireland in the 1920's and dying shortly after returning to Ireland. The gravestone for John Clynch at Riley Ridge Iowa,notes "Cloneigal" next to his birth year.
Anyone able to connect these two Clynch Families? The same bicentenary publication mentions George Clinch (1798), a relative of Fr. Thomas Clinch, living at Cranemore. Anyone able to connect George Clinch and the Clynches of Carroll/Kirwan land?

[aghadowey]

Index of names from Clonegal in 1798 has- George Clinch of Cranemore, Fr Thomas Clinch and Clynches of Kilcarry.

A William Clinch (age 38) of Kilcarry in 1901 with sister Kate (age 35), a nephew & 2 servants-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Clonegal/Kilcarry/1041909
Still there in 1911 with 3 servants-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Clonegal/Kilcarry/311650

Possibly George Clinch's widow in 1911- Anne Clynch (age 75) with 2 sons in Ballinvalley townland-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Cranemore/Ballinvalley/311724
1901 census widow Anne transcribed as age 45 but original looks more like 65!
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Cranemore/Ballinvalley/1041996
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000420112/

If a brother of Mary, William, John and James visited America in 1900s there should be outgoing and incoming passenger records (think both Ancestry and Find My Past might have them cvovering c1890-c1960), you can search the 1901 and 1911 census and also the death registrations.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

[kclinch]

hello aghadowey,
thankyou for your speedy response. I am slowly gathering information from Ireland and at the same time attempting to gather information on the movement of clinch and clynch and glynch families in the usa.
to date, I have been unable to trace my irish ancestor born at new York in 1852 to his family in Ireland. There are still too many missing pieces in the puzzle.
your links are most helpful as I am rather new to this pursuit.
I can track the clynch family of the state of Iowa USA to Carlow, but cannot connect how the Iowa family might be related to mine. I know that my grandfather was born in 1882 on a farm next to the Iowa Clynch brothers. No one in this country knows what the kinship was, if there was one. the search continues.
kevin

[aghadowey]

Have you traced all the Iowa Clynches, contacted any living descendants? traced land transfers and Wills? Checked local histories, newspaper obituaries, etc.?

[dathai]

George Clinch died 1890 age 80 ?  wife Anne Clinch nee Foley
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jcr/

probate
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/wr/details.jsp?id=IRE/ORIG/WILL/REG/9663

you may search under different spellings and executors
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/wr/index.jsp

[kclinch]

Various writers mention with more of less detail the slaying of an idiot/innocent/retarded (depending on sensitivities of writer's era) boy at Scarawalsh Bridge the week before the Boolavogue incident, and suggest that this atrocity precipitated the entry of Fr. Thomas Clinch into the rebellion. The father of the boy is said to be cousin to Fr. Clinch. The scope of the histories, I presume, precluded any further mention of the incident.
Might there be any Rootschatters with local knowledge of the purported murder? I would like to learn the name of the boy, his father and family and Townland.

[whiteout7]

The Irish Rebellion of 1798.

There is only one reference to Scarawalsh in the British newspaper archives for that year and it only mentions soldiers
http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1750-01-01/1799-12-31?basicsearch=scarawalsh&somesearch=scarawalsh

In this book the boy is named as the nephew of a local CATHOLIC priest not cousin as do three other books I can see (free ebook btw)
https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=CQUwAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA212&dq=slaying+of+an+idiot+boy+at+Scarawalsh+bridge+1798&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwip_eictYXVAhUEgrwKHbn-B-oQ6AEIJzAB#v=onepage&q=slaying%20of%20an%20idiot%20boy%20at%20Scarawalsh%20bridge%201798&f=false

Scarawalsh Bridge is a well known landmark located between Enniscorthy and Ferns in co. Wexford.

Father Thomas Clinch being a "native of Camoliln (north of ferns). Several writers tell of the family moving to the area of Glenbrien shortly after his birth (Townland of Oulartwick or Kilcormack)"  - Guide to Camolin Parish records  https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Camolin_Catholic_Parish,_County_Wexford_Genealogy

Father Thomas Clinch, his grandfather had settled at Knockanure (Kilrush) after fighting in the Battle of the Boyne. His father moved from here to Oulartwick. His cousins at Knockanure - Michael and William Clinch were involved in the United Irishmen in the Kilrush area. A different book says  - Michael Clinch, the United Irish captain in Kilrush, was brother to Father Thomas Clinch.

Father Thomas Clinch, a leader in the rebellion was Curate in Poulpasty. Poulpeasty (Cloughbawn) - Diocese of Ferns https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=r7yVDUMVITkC&pg=PA222&lpg=PA222&dq=father+thomas+clinch+vinegar+hill&source=bl&ots=lF53RcPCQs&sig=HtJQ98toOJUHOgePctYsn9BuFAU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjuvKzEy4XVAhUFEbwKHXBbDc8Q6AEIJzAB#v=onepage&q=father%20thomas%20clinch%20vinegar%20hill&f=false

Father Peter Clinch being shot at the battle of vinegar hill (another relative or same man?) http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-rebel-leader-father-peter-clinch-being-shot-at-the-battle-of-vinegar-34476745.html

Have you checked the Catholic records to see if they cover baptisms in this era? http://registers.nli.ie/

[kclinch]

whiteout7: Thank you for the links. From my reading, the scarawalsh bridge area seems to be located between Clinch settlements. Among your paragraphs is one from Anthony Ryan who is to be credited with initiating twentieth century tracking of Clinches. Following the 1938 anniversary events, he submitted an article to the Echo with family history of the Clinches. From remarks within that article he must have travelled around Wexford visiting with the few descendants who remained in Ireland, and most of those were females with married name changes. If his remarks are to be trusted, there was kin in the Glenbrien / Enniscorthy area and the Kilrush area, but I can find no kin in between. I wonder if a family south of the bridge was travelling north and happened to be at the bridge, or the other way around. The baptismal records date from too late a period and leave an incomplete picture. I am quite certain that I am a descendant of that line, but cannot document the lineage. Still searching, hoping local lore might fill in what writers of history chose not to pursue. 219 years is a stretch to reconstruct.

[LearyP]

If you use the Search box and input 'Clinch' and also use other words such as Wexford, Kilrush, Camolin, Wales, you will find a lot on Clinches already. You will find that 1798 Clinches of Clonegal connected to Kilrush, Camolin and Wales Clinches. I saw some burials in Ferns graveyard also.

See this link provided by another person here:

Same Clinch Family discussed on this link...... cheers j

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