llantysilio

[Gadget]

Looks a good possible, David. It would be worth £9.50 to sort it al out 

Also, the Llantysilio borthplace,  given for George on the 1851, might be just an error on the original household form and then transferred to the enumerators book - it could be that the writer mis-wrote Elizabeth's birthplace and two Llans were written on it - Llandrillo and Llantisilio.   I say this as I had a similar problem with my grt grandmother's birthplace - on one census form it said Llandrisio and on a later one, Llantisilio. She was born in Llantysilio and on the census there in 1841.

Added- just noticed the Sarah Davies aged 13 with Mary on the 1851. In my searches I  found a marriage for a James Russell and a Mary Davies, Oswestry.

[Gadget]

So, the possible scenario is:

Thomas Pritchard marries Ann Jones, Oswestry, 12 Sept 1804
They have:

Thomas, b. Chirk, 13 October 1805 - possible death Oct 1806
Thomas, b.Chirk 25 July 1808 (this could be a match for the Thomas living near George on the later census)
George , bpt. Chirk 21 Aug 1814

(Possibly/probably other children)

George marries Elizabeth Roberts in 1832
They have:
Ellen     )
Samuel )
Sarah   )   Chirk
George )
John     )

Mary      ) St Martins
Thomas )

Elizabeth dies in 1857, St Martins

At some stage before the 1861 census, George sets up house with Mary (Russell). He has young children, who need a 'mother'.

George marries Mary in 1869.
Mary dies pre 1881.
George dies 1887.

[pritchardgeo]

thank you that's brilliant detective work !.
have been looking hard at the 1861 census including Samuel his son and was unable to find any of them so this could be the answer why.
do you happen to know were I can get the £9.50 certificate from.
think I can give the record office a miss now.
its amazing really gadget you have family next door to them.
thanks again,if you can add anything it would be brilliant.
brian pritchard

[Gadget]

The marriage ref for George Pritchard and Mary Russell is

Oswestry, 2nd Quarter (April/May.June) , 1869, Volume 6A, page 1295

you can order it online from:

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

You have to register with them.

[Gadget]

If the Thomas Pritchard was George's  brother, they moved by 1851 ~

Walsall Street, Wolverhampton HO107/2020/197/51
Thomas Pritchard, 43, coal miner
Rebecca, 42
Sophia, 14
John, 17
Mary, 12
Maria, 11
Tamar, 7
Thomas, 5

All born Chirk. It fits with the 1841 entry.
 
There was quite a movement of  miners from the Chirk/St Martins area to the Wolverhampton/Willenhall area in the late1840s. My Stokes family moved there but came back in the late 1850s/1860s.

[pritchardgeo]

thanks again
have just ordered the marriage cert
will let you know how it goes.
thank you.
brian pritchard

[dcbnwh]

In case you find a link to Thomas who moved to Wolverhampton.

Thomas Prichard married Rebecca Phillips in Ruabon on 22nd August 1831
Witnesses - Thomas Williams and Phoebe Griffiths.

Baptisms at Chirk
Elizabeth of Parkgate - 4th December 1831
John of Parkgate - 10th March 1833
George of Halton - 4th April 1835
Sophia of Halton - 31st July 1836
Mary of Halton - 24th June 1838
Maria of Halton - 15th March 1840
Tamar of Pen-y-Park - 7th May 1843
On same day
Tamar daughter of Thomas Roberts, collier, and Christiana, nee Cash, of Black Park
Thomas of Pen-y-Park - 8th January 1846

Rebecca was a widow in Oswestry in 1861-1871

David

[Gadget]

Inoted  that marriage yesterday  as the Pheobe Giffiths seems to ring bells.

The Cash families of Black Park gave most of their female children interesting names. I'm sure I've got a Tamar Cash in my tree somewhere - not direct. One of my descendants is an Ann Cash (b.c. 1800). They are very elusive as they move between CofE and Methodism 

[pritchardgeo]

thanks great stuff.
just a little worried.
if I look on familysearch for ellen Pritchard daughter of George and Elizabeth it also gives birth place of llantysilio.
regarding the earlier posts
have found George in western rhyn 1871 and 1881 census and here they have a son Thomas.
thanks you both.
brian pritchard