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Thomas Brown, miller, Blair Atholl and Clunie
« on: Thursday 09 February 17 17:51 GMT (UK) »
We have a problem with births for the children of Thomas Brown, miller, from the Blair Atholl OPR:

William Brown, miller,   Margaret McIntosh in Haugh of Blair   Isabella   4 Feb 1834
(99% certain that this is an error by the registrar)
Thomas Brown, miller,   Margaret McIntosh in Haugh of Blair   Thomas   17 Apr 1836
Thomas Brown, miller,   Margaret McIntosh in Haugh of Blair   Jean   1 Apr 1838

Thomas Brown   Ann McIntosh in Dunkeld parish   Peter   20 Jun 1839 (Dunkeld OPR)
Thomas Brown   Ann McIntosh in Clunie parish   John   4 Feb 1841 (Clunie OPR)
Thomas Brown   Ann McIntosh in Blair Mill   Margaret   12 Jan 1846
Thomas Brown   Ann McIntosh in Blair Mill   Ann   13 Mar 1850
Thomas Brown   Ann McIntosh in Blair Mill   Thomas   20 Aug 1853
Thomas Brown   Ann McIntosh in Blair Atholl   James   15 Nov 1855

At first glance one would assume that Margaret McIntosh died and Thomas remarried, and there are marriage entries in Clunie parish which match:

Thomas Brown and Margaret McIntosh, marriage 29 Nov 1830, Clunie OPR
Thomas Brown and Ann McIntosh, marriage 3 May 1839, Clunie OPR

But census return for 1841 and 1851 show no trace of Isabella, Thomas (1) and Jean.

Also The 1855 birth certificate states that Thomas, miller, was born Saucher, Collace parish, around 1817, and would fit with a baptism 29 Jul 1817 (Collace OPR) giving his father as Peter, which is the name of his eldest son by Ann McIntosh.  Assuming that this is correct, then he would have been 13 years old in 1830 - rather young to marry Margaret McIntosh.

So we seem to have two Thomas Browns, both millers in Blair Atholl, both married in Clunie parish and both married to a McIntosh. Surely they must be related in some way.

Comments / suggestions appreciated.
Throth

(Ann McIntosh was born in Alvie, Inverness-shire, which doesn't seem to help either!)



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Re: Thomas Brown, miller, Blair Atholl and Clunie
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 09 February 17 22:17 GMT (UK) »

Thomas Brown   Ann McIntosh in Blair Atholl   James   15 Nov 1855


Throth, the 1855 birth cert you mention should show (apart from marriage date and where parents were born/age) how many children the couple had - alive/deceased, girls/boys. How does this compare to the list of names you have there from the OPRs?

Have you tried searching for their deaths (the two Thomases) to see what they say re their parents?

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Re: Thomas Brown, miller, Blair Atholl and Clunie
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 09 February 17 22:30 GMT (UK) »
It states 4 boys and 2 girls living, which accounts for all those listed with baptisms, also 1 boy and 1 girl deceased.  They could easily fit the gaps before and after Margaret's birth.

Not much help there either!  Thanks anyway.

Can't see any MIs and the census return don't seem to show Thomas Brown and Margaret McIntosh.

We'll have a look at John Kerr's 'Atholl Experience', next time in Perth.

Throth

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Re: Thomas Brown, miller, Blair Atholl and Clunie
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 09 February 17 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Throth, I think you have Thomas and Ann in censuses from 1841?

How about this entry for Margaret with children in 1841:

Margaret Brown 30 born outside of the county
William Brown 5
Isabell Brown 6
Thomas Brown 4
Jean Brown 3

Address: Perth Street, Blairgowrie Perth

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Re: Thomas Brown, miller, Blair Atholl and Clunie
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 09 February 17 22:55 GMT (UK) »
There is this possible 1851 census entry in Blairgowrie:

Mrs Miln widow grocer b. Alva Stirlingshire
Jean Brown 13 b. Inverness
Margaret Miln 6 b. Blair Atholl  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1FX-DYL
Helen Miln 2 b. Blairgowrie

There are marriage banns between a Margaret McIntosh and a James Miln in 1842 as a possibility in Blairgowrie and Airlie, Angus.

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Re: Thomas Brown, miller, Blair Atholl and Clunie
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 09 February 17 22:57 GMT (UK) »
That looks very promising. 

The 1841 census return for Clunie (Perth) shows the family with Peter and John.  So more evidence for two families.

We were trying to find Ann's death using Brown/McIntosh and then cross-referencing the location back to census returns for Thomas and Ann.  A long process and nothing obvious.

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Re: Thomas Brown, miller, Blair Atholl and Clunie
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 09 February 17 23:04 GMT (UK) »
Possible death for her in 1878 in Newtyle, Angus. Ann Brown/McIntosh aged 62.

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Re: Thomas Brown, miller, Blair Atholl and Clunie
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 09 February 17 23:06 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Brown is in Newtyle in 1881:

Thomas Brown 63 Farmer & Miller Of 90 Acres Arable Emp. 5 Men 1 Woman b. Perthshire
Peter Brown 41
Thomas Brown 27
Ann Brown 31
Ann Miller 18 house maid

Address: Nether Mill, Newtyle

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Re: Thomas Brown, miller, Blair Atholl and Clunie
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 09 February 17 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Possible will & testament entry for Thomas Brown on SP:

Thomas Brown - 12/11/1883 Farmer, Nethermill, near Meigle, d. 14/05/1883 at Nethermill aforesaid, testate
Forfar Sheriff Court
SC47/40/50

Monica

Added: From SP too, a likely death entry for a Thomas Brown, 66, in Newtyle in 1883.
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