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Douglas John BOWLER 1919-1944
« on: Friday 10 February 17 08:11 GMT (UK) »
Douglas Bowler was killed in Italy in September 1944 whilst serving with the 58th Anti-Tank Regiment of the Royal Artillery. He was born in Kingston, Surrey in Q2 1919 to Henry John Bowler and Mary Anne Bowler but I cannot find his parents on Ancestry. The birth index gives his mothers maiden name as Bowler which I guess is a mistake. Any help gratefully received!

He was married at Emmington, near Thame in 1940 and I have found this in the Parish Records, and the baptism of a daughter the following year. He married Beatrice Joyce Fry and again I am having trouble finding out anything about her although the CWGC register says she was from Tetsworth, Oxfordshire.

There are Bowlers in Thame, Postcombe and Lewknor nearby so he may be linked to them and that is how he came to meet his wife.

Any info or thoughts on ways to progess would be most useful.....
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« Reply #1 on: Friday 10 February 17 08:18 GMT (UK) »
Douglas Bowler was killed in Italy in September 1944 whilst serving with the 58th Anti-Tank Regiment of the Royal Artillery. He was married at Emmington, near Thame in 1940 and I have found this in the Parish Records, and the baptism of a daughter the following year. He married Beatrice Joyce Fry and I am having trouble finding out anything about her although the CWGC register says she was from Tetsworth, Oxfordshire.

There are Bowlers in Thame, Postcombe and Lewknor nearby so he may be linked to them and that is how he came to meet his wife.  He was born in Kingston, Surrey in Q2 1919 to Henry John Bowler and Mary Anne Bowler but I cannot find his parents on Ancestry. The birth index gives his mothers maiden name as Bowler which I guess is a mistake. Any help gratefully received!

Any info or thoughts on ways to progess would be most useful.....
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Re: Douglas John BOWLER 1919-1944
« Reply #2 on: Friday 10 February 17 08:25 GMT (UK) »
Have you tried to find Beatrice in 1939 register.
The free index has this which is a possibility
Beatrice J   Butler (Fry,Bowler)   1920   Guildford M.B.   

possible remarriage
Marriages Sep 1948   
Beatrice J Bowler   
Joseph Butler       
Maidenhead    6a   130

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Re: Douglas John BOWLER 1919-1944
« Reply #3 on: Friday 10 February 17 08:31 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, I will try those.  I need to find access to FindMyPast here - I used to use my local library but have moved recently and not sure whether it is available here or need to take out a subscription (in addition to Ancestry).
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Re: Douglas John BOWLER 1919-1944
« Reply #4 on: Friday 10 February 17 08:36 GMT (UK) »
I doubt that the 1939 would help find Beatrices origins  ;)  What information does the marriage give for both fathers.  Where did you get his mothers name from.

ADDED The CWGC would only give place of residence not her place of origin.
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Re: Fry family of Emmington ca 1940
« Reply #5 on: Friday 10 February 17 08:55 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Douglas John BOWLER 1919-1944
« Reply #6 on: Friday 10 February 17 09:32 GMT (UK) »
This is possibly Beatrices birth registration
Births Sep 1920   
Beatrice J   Fry mmn Mann   
Newton A.    5b   184

and her parents marriage
Marriage June qtr 1919   
Robert G Fry
Beatrice M Mann   
Newton A    5b   360

Poss death for Beatrice senior
Deaths Dec 1926 
Beatrice M Fry  age 32   
Newton A.    5b   168   

and remarriage for Robert
Marriage Jun 1931   
Robert G Fry 
Winifred M Michell   
Newton A.    5b   407   


Does this fathers name tie in with the details on Beatrices marriage to Douglas
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Re: Douglas John BOWLER 1919-1944
« Reply #7 on: Friday 10 February 17 09:50 GMT (UK) »
Douglas Bowler was killed in Italy in September 1944 whilst serving with the 58th Anti-Tank Regiment of the Royal Artillery.
He was born in Kingston, Surrey in Q2 1919
to Henry John Bowler and Mary Anne Bowler
but I cannot find his parents on Ancestry. The birth index gives his mothers maiden name as Bowler which I guess is a mistake. Any help gratefully received!


I think it is possible that Mary A was not married though only the birth certificate would confirm this.  What information does the marriage give for the father and who were the witnesses
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Re: Fry family of Emmington ca 1940
« Reply #8 on: Friday 10 February 17 12:34 GMT (UK) »
Hello
It seems Beatrice Joy Fry/Bowler went on to marry a Joseph Butler in Sep 1948 at Maidenhead and she died Feb 2004 at Oxfordshire . The death registration gives her birth as 6 Sep 1920.

The 1939 index doesn't help as she's not living with her family(see the entry in Guildford if you can).
I can't put any more for copyright reasons but that should help you find her on the index so you get the right one.

That date of birth does suggest she is the Beatrice Joy Fry registered at Newton Abbot Devon Sep 1920 mother Mann.
It looks like Robert J Fry who married Beatrice Mann at Newton Abbott June 1919 might be her parents.
Beatrice M Fry died Newton Abbott age 32 Dec 1926 but Robert is on the 1939.

Not doing so well on the Bowlers I'm afraid but I hope that helps.If you have an age or date of birth for Henry John Bowler that could help tie him down.

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