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Re: Place identification: Fitsel? Kitsel? Pitsel? Ritsel?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 15 February 17 06:15 GMT (UK) »
That's true Annie, but in this case there is only one Harriet Webster using the place of birth as Norfolk and places of residence as given by the OP.  :)

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Re: Place identification: Fitsel? Kitsel? Pitsel? Ritsel?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 15 February 17 06:25 GMT (UK) »
Ruskie,

That's all good but us 'looking in' don't know that as there are no references to the census info. nor a circa d.o.b to save us having to 'Go ogle' everything.

The more facts in front of us help to narrow things down  ;)

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Re: Place identification: Fitsel? Kitsel? Pitsel? Ritsel?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 15 February 17 08:48 GMT (UK) »
According to Genuki, none of those places exist. The closest I could find is Tittleshall

Having looked at Harriet's place of birth on all of the censuses you mention, I'd say the place name looks more like Titsel,

...and according to this list of Norfolk placenames Tittleshall is pronounced Titsal.
http://www.norfolkdialect.com/villages.htm
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Re: Place identification: Fitsel? Kitsel? Pitsel? Ritsel?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 15 February 17 11:11 GMT (UK) »
I am wondering then if I have made the wrong connection, Jen. :-\
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Re: Place identification: Fitsel? Kitsel? Pitsel? Ritsel?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 15 February 17 12:12 GMT (UK) »
...and according to this list of Norfolk placenames Tittleshall is pronounced Titsal.
http://www.norfolkdialect.com/villages.htm

Excellent site Jen (it's going into my favourites).

Titteshall = Tittsal
Tivetshall = Titsorl

They sound quite similar ...  :-\

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Re: Place identification: Fitsel? Kitsel? Pitsel? Ritsel?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 15 February 17 12:13 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, all. Two points.

First, I now lean towards Ruskie's suggestion of Tivetshall. It's near Tibenham and crops up in other records for this family. JenB's point about "Titsal" is tempting but, as Ruskie also points out, Tittleshall is much further away.

Second: Annie, I left out maiden name, dates &c on purpose. I wasn't trying to identify Harriet, as I know quite a lot about her (but thanks, Heywood); I just wanted some local knowledge, from this Norfolk list, about placenames. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Thanks again, everyone.

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Re: Place identification: Fitsel? Kitsel? Pitsel? Ritsel?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 15 February 17 12:27 GMT (UK) »
As an original norfolk resident
1. Remember to take out of names, places as many letters as you can
2. Then say it in a funny accent so nbody cn unnestan ya It mek sens wunce ye star t lissen
3  Happisburgh becomes Haisboro. Setchey become Sech

Yes Tivettshall would be pronounced Titsal (Dont forget if they could not fill in the census form, they would be asked the details and the enumerator would put down, what he thought he heard).
Dow/Dowe Norfolk and Suffolk
Mulley/Wilden Suffolk
Loome/lombe Norfolk

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Re: Place identification: Fitsel? Kitsel? Pitsel? Ritsel?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 15 February 17 12:41 GMT (UK) »
1. Remember to take out of names, places as many letters as you can
2. Then say it in a funny accent so nbody cn unnestan ya It mek sens wunce ye star t lissen

We have our fair share of idiosyncratic pronunciations of placenames up here in Northumberland  ;D And following on from that, the phonetic renderings of those placenames on census returns. :D
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Re: Place identification: Fitsel? Kitsel? Pitsel? Ritsel?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 15 February 17 15:48 GMT (UK) »
Second: Annie, I left out maiden name, dates &c on purpose. I wasn't trying to identify Harriet, as I know quite a lot about her (but thanks, Heywood); I just wanted some local knowledge, from this Norfolk list, about placenames. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Thanks again, everyone.

Whilst understanding your take on the request, in order to determine the place - and I am sure I am not alone- I went to the censuses. This is perhaps what Annie means - you could have mentioned the census references.
Then I looked for a marriage. Then looked for those people in censuses - Ezekiel etc. Lastly compared the places of birth.
If you know all about Harriet, you will have the same information which points to Tivetshall.
I notice that Ruskie also looked at and compared the censuses and in this case we arrived at Tivetshall.
Had we not done this kind of search, we could have decided that Tittleshall was the right place.
I have only written this rather long reply to just point out that rootschatters explore various paths to try to help people.
It is no problem but I just want to explain it from another point of view  ;)
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