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Ridler
« on: Thursday 23 February 17 10:34 GMT (UK) »
hello, looking for gggg grandfather Samuel Ridler b. Stroud, Gloucestershire married Mary Allen 1791, I think at St Mary Marylebone Road. I need to confirm this as I am not sure of the source? Son, George Samuel baptised 23 Mar 1793 married Mary Smith abt 1823. Any help with where to look gratefully accepted.
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Re: Ridler
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 February 17 11:05 GMT (UK) »
there is this marriage from image of Parish register
St Marylebone Westminster
Entry no 888
Samuel Ridler of this Parish Bachelor and Mary Allen of the same Parish Spinster
were married in this Church by banns this 17th day of January 1791
by me Benjm Laurence Curate
bride and groom signed
Witnesses Walter Mcpherson & Dinah Rayment (both signed)

there is also a record of Banns

are you certain Samuel married in London ? -there is a marriage to another Mary a few years later but in Gloucestershire

Where was son George born??

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Re: Ridler
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 February 17 11:20 GMT (UK) »
George Samuel, son of Samuel and Mary Ridler of Paul Street, born 23 March 1793, baptised 9 June 1793 - St Leonard, Shoreditch
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Re: Ridler
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 February 17 12:54 GMT (UK) »
Are these children of George Samuel and Mary?

St George the Martyr, Southwark - 25 December 1820 - George Samuel, Excise Man and Mary, Falcon Court, Borough:

Sarah, born 16 November 1816
George Samuel, born 4 December 1820

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Re: Ridler
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 February 17 23:47 GMT (UK) »
Ok, firstly I am not sure Samuel was born in Stroud!

I believe George Samuel was born and baptised in London, 9 June 1793 to Samuel and Mary.

I have been trying to piece together proof based on my source docs for George Samuel Ridler and I think I have much more work to do first on his children particularly my gg grandfather, Henry Ridler who married Jane Elizabeth Slater. Much of what I have has come from cousins and I am only now realising some of the proof is very tenuous :'(

So now I am totally confused!
Thank you to all the effort and replies I have received.

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Re: Ridler
« Reply #5 on: Friday 24 February 17 03:06 GMT (UK) »
You are right to go back to basics, as it were.

Your Henry Ridler said to have been born ca.1831 Whitechapel (in 1851), Bethnal Green (in 1861) and later census has St. Johns Wood!!

When he marries he lists his father as plain George.

In 1841 the family living in Marylebone and Henry listed as Harry - parents George Ridler 45 not born in London/Middlesex, Sarah Ridler 35, not born London/Middlesex plus Jane bc.1824, George bc.1826, Harry bc.1831, Martha bc.1835, William bc.1838 and Susan bc.1839 - all children born in county.

In 1851 George is a widower and shows he was born circa 1794 Stroudwater, Gloucestershire.

Youngest dau. Susan's birth entry on GRO website shows her mothers maiden name was Smith.

So, George Ridler was married to a Sarah Smith presumably ca.1823 although I cannot find it online anywhere.   Nor can I find baptisms for their children.

Since George states he was born in Stroudwater, Gloucestershire how can he be the George Samuel bp.1793 in Shoreditch, London, son of a Samuel???

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I cannot find an obvious baptism for a George Ridler ca.1795 Stroudwater, Gloucestershire.
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Re: Ridler
« Reply #6 on: Friday 24 February 17 06:30 GMT (UK) »
Exactly right Annette
That is the dilemma I came up with this morning. On the balance of subsequent docs it does lean toward George marrying a Sarah Smith. I have Sarah's death cert and she died during pregnancy in 1846 and I have not been able to find a birth reg for that year so presuming the child also died. There is a George in the 1861 and 1871 census married to an Ellen and these census are consistent with him being born in Gloucestershire. The name Samuel is probably a red herring and confused the whole situation:-(

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