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illegitimate youngest son of duke of atholl
« on: Monday 27 February 17 18:20 GMT (UK) »
Anybody know about an illegitimate youngest son of duke of atholl who ran sway from home after argument with father and changed surname to hindmarch around 1750s or later

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Re: illegitimate youngest son of duke of atholl
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 February 17 20:07 GMT (UK) »
At the time, this would be James Murray, the 2nd Duke of Atholl, 1690-1764.

He married, in 1726, Jane Frederick. They had 4 children:

    John Murray, Marquess of Tullibardine (1728–1729), died in infancy.
    Lady Jane Murray (c. 1730–1747)
    Lady Charlotte Murray (1731–1805)
    James Murray, Marquess of Tullibardine (1735–1736), died in infancy.

After his first wife's death, in 1748, he married Jean Drummond in 1749.
They had no children.

No mention of an illegitimate child?


The 1st Duke of Atholl was John Murray, 1660-1724.

By his first wife Lady Katherine, daughter of William Douglas-Hamilton, 3rd Duke of Hamilton and Anne Hamilton, 3rd Duchess of Hamilton, he had the following thirteen children:
Eldest son John Murray Marquis of Tullibardine died here: Battle of Malplaquet 1709

    John Murray, Marquess of Tullibardine (6 May 1684 – 11 September 1709) Killed during the Battle of Malplaquet
    Lady Anne Murray (21 May 1685 – 20 July 1686)
    Lady Mary Murray (28 September 1686 – 6 January 1689)
    William Murray, Marquess of Tullibardine (14 April 1689 – 9 July 1746) (attainted and removed from the succession)
    James Murray, 2nd Duke of Atholl (28 September 1690 – 8 January 1764)
    Lord Charles Murray (24 September 1691 – 28 August 1720)
    Lady Katherine Murray (28 October 1692 – 5 November 1692)
    Lord George Murray (23 August 1693 – 25 August 1693)
    Lord George Murray (4 October 1694 – 11 October 1760). Died in exile in Holland.
    Lady Susan Murray (15 April 1699 – 22 June 1725) (married William Gordon, 2nd Earl of Aberdeen)
    Lady Katherine Murray (25 April 1702 – 1710)
    Lord Basil Murray (29 December 1704 – February 1712)

By his second wife Lady Mary Ross, daughter of William Ross, 12th Lord Ross and Lady Agnes Wilkie. They had the following eight children:

    Lord John Murray (14 April 1711 – 26 May 1787)
    Lord Mungo Murray (August 1712 – June 1714)
    Lord Edward Murray (9 June 1714 – 2 February 1737)
    Lord Frederick Murray (8 January 1716 – April 1743)
    Lady Wilhelmina Caroline Murray (28 May 1718 – May 1720)
    Lady Mary Murray (3 March 1720 – 29 December 1795)
    Lady Amelia Anne Murray (20 April 1721 – 26 April 1721)


Maybe it was George Murray?
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Re: illegitimate youngest son of duke of atholl
« Reply #2 on: Monday 27 February 17 23:37 GMT (UK) »
From an ancestry message board posting:
'............Edward Hindmarch who was born in the 1700's.
Edward was reputed to be the son of the younger son of the Duke of Atholl, who is supposedly to have left home after family arguments. This was possibly due to the mother being a 'servant girl'- George (senior) was therefore illegitimate. After leaving the family home (Blair Castle), Edward together with some servants roamed the country (ies) - the family crest is 'Rampant Hinds' hence 'Hinds on the March'
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